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| Jul 17th, 2004 04:27 PM | ||||
| Pub Lover |
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 Sometimes I think my stupidity opens the door for the rest of the idiots. 
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| Jul 16th, 2004 09:33 PM | ||||
| Preechr |
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The person in charge of preparing the document was weapons expert Robert Walpole. (...According to the Independent of London, Walpole has a track record of tailoring his work to support the preconceived conclusions of his superiors. “In 1998, he had come up with an estimate of the missile capabilities of various rogue states that managed to sound considerably more alarming than a previous CIA estimate issued three years earlier,” the newspaper will report. “On that occasion, he was acting at the behest of a congressional commission anxious to make the case for a missile defense system; the commission chairman was none other than Donald Rumsfeld ....” Independent, 11/3/03 ) Tenet briefed the Senate Intelligence Committee (and John Kerry) on the upcoming NIE on Sept 24, 2002. The NIE was officially released on Oct 1, 2002. The Senate (and John Kerry) voted on Oct 11, 2002 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq (if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.) The SOTU address was delivered on Jan 28, 2003. Thwar started Mar 20, 2003. The NIE was de-classified on July 18, 2003. At that point, it was admitted that neither Rice nor Bush had read the entire report. July 14, 2004... a year later... this is somehow news. HAVE A NICE DAY. |
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| Jul 16th, 2004 05:10 PM | ||||
| pjalne |
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| Jul 16th, 2004 05:08 PM | ||||
| pjalne |
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when I see a simple word like that misspelled five times a day, I get pissy
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| Jul 16th, 2004 04:39 PM | ||||
| ArrowX |
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Yer Startin to sound red and by that I mean you'd preffer a hammer and cicle over a hamburger :gtareference |
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| Jul 16th, 2004 04:24 PM | ||||
| El Blanco |
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Its very relevent. |
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| Jul 16th, 2004 03:42 PM | ||||
| ScruU2wice |
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| Jul 16th, 2004 03:04 PM | ||||
| Pub Lover |
Careful Saad, that's Communist talk, you might get Blacklisted. 
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| Jul 16th, 2004 02:49 PM | ||||
| ScruU2wice |
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| Jul 16th, 2004 12:14 PM | ||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Do Congressmen and women read everything they're given? No. Do they vote for bills that often force them to COMPROMISE their own ideological values? YES. Did the Congress clearly read the USA PATRIOT Act? No. Do elected officials instead hire staffers and interns to read legislation for them? YES. Ask anybody who has interned in a state or DC office. Sometimes representatives can't even recall what it is they had voted on that day. Is this utopian and deliberative? NO, but it's reality, and trying to single-out John Kerry for it is sad, pathetic, pointless, and irrelevant (in other words, the typical shit that Raygun posts here for his lord and savior, George W. Bush). There is also a distinct difference between the decisions an EXECUTIVE makes, and one a LEGISLATOR makes. Senator Kerry is in a position where the decisions you make, and the votes you cast, can effect later legislation that he might propose. President Bush has no such level of accountability. Like Max said, he initiated the bill. It's actually kind of funny-- by exploiting the fact that Kerry "didn't read" the bill, it almost sounds like a GOP confession that the bill was weak, and had Kerry even taken a cursory glance of it, he would've clearly votedagainst it. So, if Kerry is lazy, then Bush is just plain stupid. I can live with that. Finally, I really think we should just ignore Raygun's posts. They ae pointless drivel, which are at best board spam, and at their worst ar just the desparate rantings of a GOP wonk. The Bush team is running scared, and most polls show him down, so irrelevant shit like this will become a volleyball for them. Don't buy in to it..... |
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| Jul 16th, 2004 12:07 PM | ||||
| El Blanco |
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Of course, I don't see anyone on the left answering the question either. |
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| Jul 16th, 2004 09:45 AM | ||||
| Cosmo Electrolux |
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| Jul 16th, 2004 08:33 AM | ||||
| vechron | Thanks for your last post mburbank; it's nice to see how all the bushites disappeared after you posted it. | |||
| Jul 15th, 2004 06:32 PM | ||||
| ranxer |
bush and kerry are both corporate wankers, I heard the wives of kerry and edwards are saying some decent things.. maybe i'll campaign for the presidential wives this time. hmm.. i guess i'll take Hienz over Haliburton. i look at bush vs kerry as two candidates that will be driving us toward a cliff.. kerry however will be driving us a little slower. |
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| Jul 15th, 2004 04:01 PM | ||||
| ArrowX |
least he s a bit" smarter than bush
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| Jul 15th, 2004 03:36 PM | ||||
| kellychaos |
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Besides that, Bush himself admitted that he didn't really make intelligence agencies a priority early in his administration and often attended only the crucial meetings before 9/11. Yes, he said that. |
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| Jul 15th, 2004 01:39 PM | ||||
| Sethomas | Yeah, I too think it's sad. So is the death of cows, but hey, I loves my beef. | |||
| Jul 15th, 2004 01:22 PM | ||||
| ScruU2wice | It's sad that people are going to vote for kerry just because he isn't Bush... | |||
| Jul 15th, 2004 09:17 AM | ||||
| mburbank |
Okay, having read into this a wee bit further, I'm confused. The NIE is a document written expressly for the president. As far as I can tell, it is a one page document, and while they may have been briefed on it's contents, the Senate doesn't have access to it. The Kerry campaign wants it released so people can see what it said, and the white hiouse is refusing, just as they did prior to the leaking of the NIE titled "Ossama Bin Laden determined to attack inside United States". After the info became public, their argument that the NIE in question said nothing about Bin Laden's interest in attacking inside the United states seemed... somewhat thinner. The NIE in question is not the 93 page back-up paper. It is a one page summary. Can anybody sort this out for me? And I don't mean their opinion, I mean can anyone find a source that says who's talking about what? |
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| Jul 15th, 2004 08:50 AM | ||||
| mburbank |
I think it's really bad Kerry didn't read it himself. I thought it was really bad he voted to give a guy look W the authorization to make war. I wish had someone I respected more to vote for instead of a President who sent people to die to vote against. I think it's pretty clear W. didn't do the reading either. He had adviser read it for him, just like Kerry. What a country. We're number one. |
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| Jul 14th, 2004 11:53 PM | ||||
| GAsux |
I guess so... Truth be told I don't spend much time in the Kerry household so I really don't know what makes or made him change his mind. Gee whiz, if he voted for the war in the first place, and then decided several months later that spending an additional $87 million or whatever was a bad idea and not part of what Congress signed on for in the first place, he clearly must have voted against the additional spending because it was "the cool thing to do" and not because he felt it was wrong. |
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| Jul 14th, 2004 11:03 PM | ||||
| El Blanco |
Small difference. John Kerry, as part of the Senate intel Comitee, had access to the same info Bush had and voted for the invasion. I'm fairly certain you went through several experiences and personal changes that forced you to switch position on several issues over the course of years. What was in the info Kerry saw those 2 years ago that is different today? Nothing. Nada. Zip. He's playing off emotion and trying to appeal to the anti-Bush crowd, when in fact, he was one of W's biggest supporters. Its one thing to feel you were mislead and then change your mind based on new information. That is growing and learning. Its something else to change position because you think its the in thing. |
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| Jul 14th, 2004 10:51 PM | ||||
| GAsux |
Really... When I was younger I thought the idea of sex and vaginas was disgusting. When I got older, and learned more, I changed my mind. I used to hate veggies too. When I got older, I learned and experienced more, and changed my mind. I used to think the state I live in sucked the biggest cock in the world. Then I moved to Georgia, and I changed my mind. What a dirty horrible flip flopper I am. How dare a person change their points of view! Completely unacceptable. If a person thinks all blacks are crack dealing thugs, they should never be allowed to change their minds. Damn flip floppers. |
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| Jul 14th, 2004 10:23 PM | ||||
| ScruU2wice |
cuz flip flop doesn't sound sophisticated enough to be repeated a million times 
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| Jul 14th, 2004 09:33 PM | ||||
| El Blanco | Well, since it seems to apply, why not? | |||
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