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| Sep 1st, 2004 08:31 PM | ||
| Zomboid |
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| Sep 1st, 2004 07:49 PM | ||
| ArrowX | I havent read the RoTK in like 2 years so I don't remember. | |
| Sep 1st, 2004 07:38 PM | ||
| Carnivore | Please note, I posted the link to the Encyclopedia of Arda first, fucksticks! | |
| Sep 1st, 2004 01:18 PM | ||
| Father §p@z |
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| Sep 1st, 2004 01:12 PM | ||
| Ihach |
The gothmog zomboid refers to was the lord of balrogs, but he was also killed in the fall of gondolin, so the gothmog leading the army cant be him. balrogs were originally maia, helpful spirits, more powerful than men or elves, less powerful than the gods themselves. the balrogs are corrupted maia, as is sauron himself, who originally served Melkor, the first dark lord. another double name that appears is the name of the elf who killed gothmog originally, he was named Glorfindel. He died at the fall of gondolin in the fight with gothmog. In the lord of the rings a glorfindel helps frodo and company reach rivendell. there, thats the extent of my knowledge  p.s. a quick edit: wizards were maia i believe, though i havent read enough on it to be sure... |
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| Sep 1st, 2004 11:00 AM | ||
| pjalne | They're called Mayar, I think. But I don't know exactly what the definition of a Mayar is, considering the Balrog is one also. | |
| Sep 1st, 2004 05:36 AM | ||
| FS | In Tolkien's books, wizards were not really the same thing as sorcerers. In fact, wizards weren't even human. I forget where and exactly how it's said, but they came to Middle-earth at some important point in time to help protect the world against Sauron, carrying the form of men. I guess, technically, wizards qualify as a separate race of entities. | |
| Aug 31st, 2004 09:34 PM | ||
| rook |
the mouth of sauron, also described as the lieutenant of barad dur, was a member of the black numenorean race. they were originally the "king's men" as opposed to members of the rebellion of elendil the elf-friend who fought against the increasingly evil kings of numenor who, out of pride and being deceived by sauron, tried to visit the undying lands which, not being for mortals, ended up having numenor demolished by the gods. the remnant of the king's men settled in the south of middle earth, and i think became the haradrim (either the unfinished tales or the silmarrilion refer to 2 of such leaders as herumor and fuinur (sp?) who, i vaguely recall, fought against hte last such alliance of men and elves in elendil's time). 3 of hte nazgul are also black numenoreans. i think of all the races written of by tolkien, the black numenoreans are the most interesting. basically evil aragorns, proud killers obsessed with death and immortality, who sacrificed the king's men and delighted in destruction, warfare, piracy, and everything fun and awesome in the world. in one of tolkien's later books, he gave a vague discussion of the origins of the mouth of sauron as a youth from a prominent gondorian family who was abducted and rose through the ranks of the mordor army because of his cunning. but this was scrapped in the return of the king. one thing that always intrigued me was how he was a sorceror when there were only 5 wizards. i guess sorcery as defined by tolkien is a separate entity than magic, as the witch king was also a sorceror, but i find the line to be very narrow and not well-defined by tolkien. also what's interesting is that he, a man, was one of the highest ranking people in mordor, as opposed to nazgul and other creatures. one silly question: with isengard and baraddur being depicted as immensely tall fortress towers of doom, you think they had elevators or did everyone have to take the stairs? |
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| Aug 31st, 2004 09:26 PM | ||
| executioneer |
i know what is up w/ that all that setup and for what 
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| Aug 31st, 2004 08:13 PM | ||
| James | I was talking about the movie. They were shown in the armies at Isengard, but were essentially not at the battle of Helm's Deep. | |
| Aug 31st, 2004 08:11 PM | ||
| executioneer |
i'm 99% sure they were in the battle at helms deep in the book
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| Aug 31st, 2004 07:45 PM | ||
| James | They were featured in The Two Towers, but weren't at the battle Helm's Deep. But they were part of the armies that amassed at Isengard before the battle. | |
| Aug 31st, 2004 07:42 PM | ||
| executioneer | the elephant guys were the haradrim (or the southrons) the easterlings were not featured in the movies but attacked helm's deep and minas tirith i think? along w/ the orcs | |
| Aug 31st, 2004 01:58 PM | ||
| James | Unless I'm mistaken, those were the Horadrim. | |
| Aug 31st, 2004 11:48 AM | ||
| ArrowX | Who were the men with the Elephants? my friend keeps referring to them as Easterlings but I can't seem to find them in the Encyclopedia. | |
| Aug 31st, 2004 10:49 AM | ||
| James | I'm sure there will be, but I'm almost positive it won't come with the extras that the individual sets did. Meaning, the statues and the extra DVDs. | |
| Aug 31st, 2004 10:12 AM | ||
| Zomboid |
I'm too lazy to read if this has been mentioned, but that site says Gothmog is not only a balrog, but lord of the balrogs and his whole history predates the LOTR story itself. I rarely get into this kinda thing, but reading up on all that stuff brought out the nerd in me. Can't wait for the extended edition. Anyone know if there's gonna be a huge box set with all the extended editions? I've been waiting for that
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| Aug 31st, 2004 10:08 AM | ||
| James |
Yeah, I read that after my post. It would make sense to have him be one of those, seeing how they were excluded from the movies, and that could have been a nod to their existence. I guess we'll only really know when the Extended Version comes out. |
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| Aug 31st, 2004 09:26 AM | ||
| Zomboid |
Look up Goblin-Men on that site. He could easily be one of those things. Edit: Also, look up half-orcs. |
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| Aug 31st, 2004 05:51 AM | ||
| James |
It seems like the two most likely speculations for Gothmog's race are human and orc. So I'm thinking that the cause for his appearance in the movie was intented to be a cross between these two. He's pink and deformed, so I almost think the idea for the movie appearance might have been that he was a man distorted into a monster. Many thanks for this link. I'd found an encyclopedia online back when Fellowship came out, but I'd closed it when it spoiled that Gandalf returns, and could never find it again. This site blows that one out of the water. |
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| Aug 31st, 2004 03:08 AM | ||
| dead_pigeon |
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/ I found something about the pink orc dude in there, but that was many a month ago. The Encyclopedia of Arda is a rather comprehensive collection of all the specifics. It has a few articles that link the movies and the books, pointing out plot differences, etc. |
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| Aug 30th, 2004 11:19 PM | ||
| ArrowX |
who cares its a book the answer never existed
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| Aug 30th, 2004 09:50 PM | ||
| Perndog | Galadriel and Elrond had two of the Elf rings. Who had the third one? The guy at the dock in the West? Or was that the one that Gandalf wore? | |
| Aug 30th, 2004 08:45 PM | ||
| executioneer | what are you trying to say | |
| Aug 30th, 2004 08:19 PM | ||
| ArrowX | The scorching of the shire should have been added into the movie. | |
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