Originally Posted by kahljorn

"I did listen. That isn't the full quote. "

Oh, Okay, so there's a part missing where he goes, "TERRORISTS BUY AK47's AT GUN SHOWS". DO you mind showing me where this happens?


"KERRY: I believe it was a failure of presidential leadership not to reauthorize the assault weapons ban.

I am a hunter. I'm a gun owner. I've been a hunter since I was a kid, 12, 13 years old. And I respect the Second Amendment and I will not tamper with the Second Amendment.

But I'll tell you this. I'm also a former law enforcement officer. I ran one of the largest district attorney's offices in America, one of the ten largest. I put people behind bars for the rest of their life. I've broken up organized crime. I know something about prosecuting.

And most of the law enforcement agencies in America wanted that assault weapons ban. They don't want to go into a drug bust and be facing an AK-47.

I was hunting in Iowa last year with a sheriff from one of the counties there, and he pointed to a house in back of us, and said, "See the house over? We just did a drug bust a week earlier, and the guy we arrested had an AK-47 lying on the bed right beside him. "

Because of the president's decision today, law enforcement officers will walk into a place that will be more dangerous. Terrorists can now come into America and go to a gun show and, without even a background check, buy an assault weapon today.

And that's what Osama bin Laden's handbook said, because we captured it in Afghanistan. It encouraged them to do it.

So I believe America's less safe.

If Tom DeLay or someone in the House said to me, "Sorry, we don't have the votes," I'd have said, "Then we're going to have a fight. "

And I'd have taken it out to the country and I'd have had every law enforcement officer in the country visit those congressmen. We'd have won what Bill Clinton won. "

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004d.html

DAMN, IT MUST BE A LIBERAL CONSPIRACY!!!!

Originally Posted by Chojin

For me to believe whatever facts it's going to throw at me, it has to first appeal to my common sense. Otherwise, I have no reason to believe it.

Originally Posted by Pantitude

The 17 states and the District of Columbia without concealed-carry permits enjoy an 81 percent higher rate of violent crime.

Originally Posted by MetalMilitia

Wtf i think if terrorists from other countries wanted to buy AKs it would be somewhat easier to get them in places like iraq ect and cheaper too.

Originally Posted by FS

Khaka?

Nobody should even be responding to you, but this was too good to pass up. I'd like to see you take on anyone carrying an ordinary handgun, with an automatic weapon or rifle. You'd probably kill half your family and still leave a villain-shaped silhouette in the wall before you'd get capped. Like it fucking matters what version number's on the barrel of your gun when you face a criminal (who's probably a lot more guns than you). A bullet it still going to come out of both if you pull the trigger, and if it's a whole lot of bullets you'll need the luck of hitting the criminal on the first burst, cause the rest of the magazine is going to be wasted.

And maybe you'll learn to masturbate with your left hand so you can use your right to cock the gun at the moment of climax, you Rambo you.


I think Chojin makes a very valid point when he questions just how often a gun in civilian hands actually does any good. The only situation I can imagine is when you hear someone trudging through your house at night and you can get to the living room silently enough to get the drop on him. And still the outcome would be difficult to predict.

Not being born in a country where it's a constitutional right to own a gun, it's as alien to me as a native greeting where you both put your fingers in your ears and bash your foreheads together. But when I hear gun discussions going on, the pro side sooner or later starts sounding like insane, paranoid hermits living in a shack in the woods away from civilization, that's plotting to kill them. Like you all sleep with one eye open and a hand on the gun beneath your pillow, ready to jump out and spray the room with bullets at the first unlucky burglar that tries to breach your kingdom. Not to mention the kind of paranoia when you say you don't trust only the government with the right to bear arms. What, they're going to declare national martial law and enslave everyone to the salt mines of Xyr the moment everyone's forced to turn in their glocks?

Originally Posted by Preechr

You need to factor in for the fact that America is simply a much larger country than either Japan (an island) or the UK (another island) and we are in the uneviable position of having to guard many hundred times more border than they do

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"I was hunting in Iowa last year with a sheriff from one of the counties there, and he pointed to a house in back of us, and said, "See the house over? We just did a drug bust a week earlier, and the guy we arrested had an AK-47 lying on the bed right beside him."

Because of the president's decision today, law enforcement officers will walk into a place that will be more dangerous. Terrorists can now come into America and go to a gun show and, without even a background check, buy an assault weapon today.

And that's what Osama bin Laden's handbook said, because we captured it in Afghanistan. It encouraged them to do it. "


What now bitches. Also, weapons can be easily modded to be a fully automatic weapon. Oh, and also, bush himself also said that there weren't enough background checks.

LEARN TO FUCKING LISTEN, for fucks sake, you guys are idiots. You shouldn't even be online arguing, you dyslexic pieces of shit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...bate_1013.html

Originally Posted by Preechr

Prohibition is prohibition, and it never works in this country. We still have slavery, in the form of illegal immigrants; discrimination against women and minorities; and plenty of drugs, despite all our well-intentioned prohibitions. It has nothing to do with addiction, but I'll argue criminal behavior is a form of addiction if you want...

Originally Posted by FS

I think Chojin makes a very valid point when he questions just how often a gun in civilian hands actually does any good. The only situation I can imagine is when you hear someone trudging through your house at night and you can get to the living room silently enough to get the drop on him. And still the outcome would be difficult to predict.

Not being born in a country where it's a constitutional right to own a gun, it's as alien to me as a native greeting where you both put your fingers in your ears and bash your foreheads together. But when I hear gun discussions going on, the pro side sooner or later starts sounding like insane, paranoid hermits living in a shack in the woods away from civilization, that's plotting to kill them. Like you all sleep with one eye open and a hand on the gun beneath your pillow, ready to jump out and spray the room with bullets at the first unlucky burglar that tries to breach your kingdom. Not to mention the kind of paranoia when you say you don't trust only the government with the right to bear arms. What, they're going to declare national martial law and enslave everyone to the salt mines of Xyr the moment everyone's forced to turn in their glocks?

Originally Posted by Chojin

Uh huh. If someone's so fucking determined to get into your house and arm themselves while doing so, chances are they'll be coming for you long before you gear up for battle like in the intro to Operation Wolf and step into the foyer to take the law into your own extremely capable hands.

Originally Posted by Chojin"

Uh huh. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, am i right guys. Thing is? When you want to hurt someone and you have a gun, chances are that at least one of you won't be able to hurt anyone again.

Originally Posted by Chojin

I don't know how you'd enforce an import ban, and I get the feeling that you don't either. The notion that people would suddenly become incredibly curious hobbyists concerning guns the moment they're illegal is silly at best, and retarded at worst. I'd also think that someone's Colt PVC .Potatoe caliber rifle would be at least somewhat less effective than the real deal. If it wasn't, why wouldn't we all be making this shit in shop class?

Originally Posted by Chojin

Well, shit, let's just throw down and urinate on the goddamn constitution! It doesn't matter anymore, boys! The police know and understand that we Americans are genetically pre-disposed to thwarting authority - which I am to understand is a direct cause of our propensity to unload a clip on anything that can bleed - and really, come on, did they expect us to follow all these fucking laws they keep passing? As an American, I have a right to pick and choose which laws I follow and which ones I DISMISSIVELY TUMBLE DOWN A MUDDY EMBANKMENT AS A RESULT OF ME NEVER, EVER BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR A SINGLE ACTION IN MY LIFE SINCE WE'RE ALL SUCH NE'ER-DO-WELLS ANYWAY!

Saying that you shouldn't prevent people from doing bad shit because at some point someone's gonna break the law is like saying you shouldn't drink water because you're eventually gonna have to urinate. Use some common sense and try to cry less about how someone's trying to silently maneuver past your guards, checkpoints, and ball pit in a premeditated effort to slit your fat mom's throat.

Sorry. Kinda got caught up in the moment there.

Originally Posted by Crying Baby Jesus

You can buy Variants of just about any AK weapon in north america, you can buy M16 that use .22 ammo, and semi-automatic sub machineguns such as the uzi. Just remember WHO's gonna buy these all BEFORE the terrorists. You'll all be better armed than they will

Originally Posted by Crying Baby Jesus

i'm getting a Berretta 92F when I move out, then hopefully a AR-12