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| Nov 1st, 2004 01:45 PM | |||
| ranxer |
the drudge interpretation misses the fact that any terrorist threats push people to vote for bush.. er sheeple to vote for bush.. as robert fisk explains at: http://www.democracynow.org/article..../11/01/1513254 i think the tape was around 18minutes long.. i thought it was funny that cronkite said that he is "inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man ... probably set up Bin Laden to this thing". http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...p?story=578208 |
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| Nov 1st, 2004 11:39 AM | |||
| ItalianStereotype |
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| Oct 30th, 2004 02:48 PM | |||
| Helm | If you don't stop replying to every thread I'm going to fucking put you to sleep you teenaged obese faggot. | ||
| Oct 30th, 2004 02:13 PM | |||
| ArrowX |
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| Oct 30th, 2004 12:54 PM | |||
| Helm |
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I posted about Ronnie rather than what regutitated crap he put in his own mouth and then spat out at the boards because I do not care to aknowledge it. Sometimes, if there's a good discussion to be made of something, sure, but not every time. Whereas I'll never stop tiring of aknowledging how stupidly reactionary he comes off as. Oh, and arrowx should be banned. |
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| Oct 30th, 2004 12:37 AM | |||
| FartinMowler |
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| Oct 30th, 2004 12:20 AM | |||
| Stabby | I'd say we'd be lucky to know anything definitive by the end of January. | ||
| Oct 29th, 2004 09:17 PM | |||
| ziggytrix | Voting ends Tuedsay night. In the unlikely event no lawyers are involved, we'll know Wednesday morning. | ||
| Oct 29th, 2004 09:11 PM | |||
| the_dudefather |
questions: 1.when is this election madness over? 2.how long before president kerry based HILARIOUS photoshop gags |
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| Oct 29th, 2004 08:45 PM | |||
| ziggytrix |
that must be the 10th terrorist ronnie mentioned!
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| Oct 29th, 2004 08:20 PM | |||
| Stabby |
It's kinda curious, but when you get your news from sources that AREN'T Republican spin machines they paint a different story, like Iran endorsing Bush for office: "The head of Iran's security council said Tuesday that the re-election of President Bush was in Tehran's best interests, despite the administration's axis of evil label, accusations that Iran harbors al-Qaida terrorists and threats of sanctions over the country's nuclear ambitions." LINK |
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| Oct 29th, 2004 06:05 PM | |||
| Ant10708 |
Apparently its over an hour long. I bet its almost as anti-Bush as Moore's film. 
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| Oct 29th, 2004 06:01 PM | |||
| Ant10708 | Does anyone have a link to the video? I saw part of it on TV but want to see it in full. | ||
| Oct 29th, 2004 05:25 PM | |||
| Anonymous | Shut the fuck up, you fat, ignorant moron. | ||
| Oct 29th, 2004 05:23 PM | |||
| ArrowX | I find it funny that Terrorist groups accuse the united states of being coward who sit miles away and shoot rockets at your enemies. While its mostly true, The terrorists don't seem to be too keen to walk up and down the american streets with weapons | ||
| Oct 29th, 2004 04:13 PM | |||
| mburbank |
Well, we toppled the government of Chile. We tried to do the same in El Salvador. We once tried to invade Cuba. We overthrew the government of Panama. We supported a coup and then funded a recall movement in Venzuela. We bombed cambodia and lied about it during the Vietnam war. We mined South American harbors. We tried repeatedly to assasinate Fidel Castro. And that's just the stuff that happened during my personal liofetime that I can recall ff the top of my head without doing any research at all, not even using Google. I'm NOT a huge anti american guy either. I think on the whole we've done more good than bad in the world. I'm just saying the only reason for thinking lots of people all over the world don't have reason to think of us as trouble is ignorance. |
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| Oct 29th, 2004 03:47 PM | |||
| Anonymous |
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| Oct 29th, 2004 03:28 PM | |||
| Stark |
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| Oct 29th, 2004 03:17 PM | |||
| ArrowX | Wait Besides After 9/11 wha tthe fuck did the US do to the World? The Tape says Its now your turn to die. Has the us Blinly lashed out at countrys before Iraq? | ||
| Oct 29th, 2004 02:19 PM | |||
| Anonymous |
I think the relevance of this story cannot be overstated. Did you know that John Kerry puts ketchup on his eggs? What a fucking freak! Or maybe he's just whipped. Who can say? |
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| Oct 29th, 2004 01:22 PM | |||
| ItalianStereotype | also, I'm not saying that it's good or bad that Kerry is being endorsed or supported by any of these countries (though most of those countries are traditional enemies of ours). I'm simply saying that, given their status, it wouldn't be surprising if their were people who actually felt this way. also, whether proven or not, this is an interesting story that is being completely discredited by an ad hominem attack. | ||
| Oct 29th, 2004 01:15 PM | |||
| ItalianStereotype |
I got it from an OSINT article (thanks Ror) and from front page mag. here's the actual article: By Ben Johnson <http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/authors.asp?ID=1120> FrontPageMagazine.com | October 22, 2004 You shall judge of a man by his foes as well as by his friends. Joseph Conrad in the novel Lord <http://www.online-literature.com/vie...dge%20of%20a%2 0man%20by%20his%20foes%20as%20well%20as> Jim. Months after John Kerry boasted of having received secret endorsements from anonymous foreign leaders around the world, many of the gaps have been filled in. The leaders of the world have weighed in on the 2004 presidential election. Lets run down the list of nations supporting each candidate: John Kerry North Korea: Although north Asias gulag archipelago has not formally endorsed a candidate, official Communist organs have shown a pronounced affinity for John Kerry. In March, the Financial Times noted, John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic candidate, is also getting good <http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/001099.php> play in Pyongyang. North Korean radio has aired several of Kerrys anti-Bush speeches, and the Korean Central News Agency has given the Democratic candidate glowing coverage. Kerry has publicly called for bilateral discussions with North Korea, such as those conducted <http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5368> by Jimmy Carter on behalf of the Clinton administration in 1994, although analysts agree these would be counterproductive <http://ms101.mysearch.com/jsp/GGcres...http%3A//ms101. mysearch.com/jsp/GGmain.jsp%3Fsearchfor%3DKerry+AND+%2522North+Kore a%2522+AN D+bilateral+AND+disaster&u=http%3A//straitstimes.asia1.com/world/story/0%2C4 386%2C277663%2C00.ht> . Iran: A June editorial in the Tehran <http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/bayefsky200410210837.asp> Times stated, Kerry is exactly what the U.S. needs right now. It is undisputed that Kerry has promised to give Iran exactly what it needs right now: nuclear fuel. Kerry pledged to supply Iran with nuclear fuel, just as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton did to North Korea as it revved up its nuclear program during the 1990s. Communist China: The state-controlled Peoples Daily news website formally endorsed <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1184147/posts> John Kerry in July. An unsigned <http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/28/141010.shtml> editorial averred: Comparatively speaking, Kerry is noted for being friendly with China. He was once firmly against linking the most-favored-nation status to China with human rights. From a long-term view, a Democratic administration, which stresses international cooperation, pursues multilateralism and stands for a policy of contacts, will be better for both world peace and Sino-U.S. relations. The editorial also noted John Kerry opposes containment of China. Palestinian Authority: PA foreign minister Nabil Shaath <http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...reaus\archive\ 200410\FOR20041019a.html> has said in a Kerry presidency, it would be likely that several staff members during Clinton's administration would return, adding, that would be a good thing. Kerry has vowed to name Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter as Middle East envoy. The state-controlled Palestine Media Center bashed Bush's refusal to deal with Arafat. President Bush has said Yasser Arafat is not a worthy partner working for Mideast peace. Conversely, in his 1997 book The New War, John Kerry referred to Yasser Arafat as a statesman. Malaysia: In a letter dated last Friday, former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad exhorted fellow Muslims to vote for John F. Kerry <http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...reaus\archive\ 200410\FOR20041019b.html> in the name of Islam. Mohamad said his co-religionists have a duty to ensure that Bush will not be able to determine our fate for four more yearsThere is an obvious connection between the sufferings of the Muslims and the policies and thinking of Bush. This is not Mohamads first foray into international controversy. As he prepared to step down from his 22-year-long reign as prime minister last year, he famously told the 10th Islamic Summit in Kuala Lumpur, <http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10460> Jews rule the world by proxy. (To counteract this, he has instructed Muslims to vote for John Kerry, the only ethnically Jewish candidate in the presidential race.) Socialist Spain: As early as March, Spains appeasenik prime minister and Socialist Party member Jose Luis Zapatero said, <http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/15/125545.shtml> I want Kerry to win. Zapatero told the International Herald Tribune Spains Socialists the party of unilateral surrender elected after the Madrid train bombing on March 11 were aligning ourselves with Kerry to build an alliance for peace, against war. Zapatero, who said he favors a dialogue between the government of Spain and the new Kerry administration, vowed the Kerry-Socialist axis would assure there will be no more deaths for oil. France: According to all reports, John Kerry is wildly popular in the land of Gaul. A recent Le Monde poll found the Francs backing John Kerry over President Bush by <http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...reaus\archive\ 200410\FOR20041019c.html> more than three-to-one (72 percent to 19 percent). The Financial Times quotes an unnamed French government official pining for <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1228400/posts> the return of the Democrats to Washington and the Baathists to Baghdad, saying, A lot depends on who is in power in both Washington and Baghdad. If there's change in both countries then it's possible we would re-examine our position. (Emphasis added.) The chairman of Democrats Abroad gave the Ich bin ein Berliner speech of the 2004 campaign, <http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040318-112136-7499r.htm> gushing Kerry is the closest thing that you will have to a French politician. Germany: The Financial Times quotes Gert Weisskirchen, the foreign policy expert for Germanys ruling Social Democratic Party, as <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1228400/posts> analyzing the presidential race thus: I cannot imagine that there will be any change in our decision not to send troops, whoever becomes president. That said, Mr. Kerry seems genuinely committed to multilateralism and as president he would find it easier than Mr. Bush to secure the German government's backing in other matters. Vietnam: An unnamed Vietnamese diplomat told the international press, I think Vietnam would support Kerry because he has travelled many times to Vietnam and he understands better the situation here than Bush, who is a war-mongering president. Why not? Kerry has 30 years experience negotiating with Vietnamese Communists and is immortalized <http://www.vetsagainstkerry.org/Misc/KerryHonoredByCommunists2.htm> in Ho Chi Minh Citys War <http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14456> Remnants Museum. Others: International polls indicate the vast majority of Pakistanis, Jordanians, and Moroccans disapprove of President Bush and may be assumed to support Sen. Kerry by default. Meanwhile, those engaged in the War on Terrorism have supported President George W. Bush. George W. Bush Russia: On Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin <http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...reaus\archive\ 200410\FOR20041018c.html> told Russias RIA news agency Iraqi terrorism aims at causing maximum damage to President Bush and to forestall his second term re-election. He warned, If they succeed, they would celebrate a victory against America and the anti-terror coalition, and this could lead to more acts of international terrorism. Although Putin pledged to respect any choice of the American people, his comments were seen as a muted endorsement of President Bush. It seems, since mourning the tragedy of Beslan, he has discovered the wisdom of pre-emption. Israel: Although Yasser Arafats Palestinian Authority favors John Kerry, the Israelis favor George W. Bush. Israels military intelligence chief, Major-General Aharon Zeevi told the Israeli Cabinet he feared, <http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/455713.html> Arafat is now waiting for the month of November in the hope that President Bush will be defeated in the presidential election and turned out of his office. Israeli citizens seem to agree. In a poll taken by the newspaper Haaretz, Israelis preferred Bush over Kerry <http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/488983.html> by two-to-one. (In all, one may expect an improvement in domestic Jewish support for the president, but many American Jews remain <http://www.frontpagemag.com/blog/BlogEntry.asp?ID=355> steadfastly loyal to the Democratic Party.) Japan: Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi divulged his <http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....chive%5C200410 %5CPOL20041018b.html> support for the president last week. I don't want to interfere in another country's election, he said, but I am close to President Bush so I want him to do well. The Secretary-General of Japans Liberal Democratic Party, Tsutomu Takebe, told the media, I think there would be trouble if it's not President Bush. Takebe said Kerrys plan for bilateral U.S.-North Korean negotiations would be exactly what North Korea wants. The Philippines: Filipinos also support President Bush. Filipinos...have a frontline appreciation of the threat posed by international terrorism, according to <http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/10/18/d41018011414.htm> political science professor Alex Magno, an adviser to President Gloria Arroyo. Over the past two decades, hundreds of Filipinos and some Americans have died at the hands of such <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/philippines/front.html> al-Qaeda affiliates as <http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12437> Abu Sayyaf and <http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Jama'at+Islamiya> Jamaaat Islamiya. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Magno states, If Filipinos were voting for the American president, George W. Bush would have this election in the bag. South Korea: South Koreans, who have been tending toward anti-Americanism for years, remain split on the election. However, polls show the most anti-Communist segments of South Korea favor President Bush. Two More Important Endorsements Finally, two non-state actors have made their preferences known: al-Jazeera Television and the Communist Party USA. Osama bin Ladens chosen media outlet, al-Jazeera which regularly refers to suicide bombers as <http://titian.dailykos.com/story/2004/6/18/11818/9013> martyrs and may have <http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14302> direct ties to terrorism now hopes to refer to John Kerry as Mr. President. The pro-terror Mideastern network <http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/16/132854.shtml> referred to John Kerry as a popular mainstream Democrat with liberal tendencies and noted the junior senator from Massachusetts has suggested Bush's handling of [Iraq] is f****ed up. Although the National Journal named Kerry the Senates most liberal member, al-Jazeera claimed Kerry is well placed politically between his party's radical left and arch conservatives. (Arch-conservative Democrats?) After all, the <http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14452> Democratic Party gave al-Jazeera a skybox at its national convention this summer. The Communist Party USA is not foreign, although it illegally received Soviet money for decades. It, too, has cast its lot with John Kerry. The CPUSA lists as election priority number one that Communists do their <http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/591/1/56/> utmost to help defeat Bush. The communist website dedicates <http://www.cpusa.org/article/archive/56> an entire page of internal articles to anti-Bush propaganda. Echoing John Kerry (or is it the other way around?), the Communist Party USA decries the <http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/593/1/56> well-financed campaign to weaken and destroy the impact of the African American vote. Similarly, on September 11th of this year, Kerry <http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15343> told the Congressional Black Caucus, We are not going to stand by and allow another million African American votes to go uncounted in this election. The rhetorical similarities no doubt account for the CPUSAs silent endorsement. |
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| Oct 29th, 2004 12:35 PM | |||
| mburbank |
I just took the time to read the pasted Drudge item beyond it's false first paragraph, and was struck by the fact that nowhere in it do they talk about who they want for President. Do they hate W et al and want them dead? Sure! But my guess is they hate them enough that W loosing isn't the punishment they're looking for. I'm not saying this tape might not be legitimate. I'm saying naldo's title could have been slapped on a cut n' paste off the campbells soup web page and made as much sense. My guess? Serious terrorists couldn't care less who are president is. W has done a good job recruiting for them, but I don't think they believe Kerry would do a worse job recruiting for them. Are they afraid of Bush? Obviously not. Suicidal terrorist don't get afraid. Terrorists see America as the Great Satan, period. They are going to try their hardest to kill us, period. I bet they don't give a crap in a handbasket about who we elect. |
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| Oct 29th, 2004 12:32 PM | |||
| sspadowsky |
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2) Even if it's true, why is that such a bad thing? Maybe all of these countries think that Kerry won't be the stubborn prick that Bush has proven to be, and maybe *gasp* diplomacy, reason, and actual civil discourse can take place, rather than Dubya's bullshit comic-book "evil-doer" rhetoric. Oh, heaven forbid. |
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| Oct 29th, 2004 12:30 PM | |||
| Anonymous | England, Canada, France, and every other intelligent country supports Kerry, too. Might it not be a stretch of the imagination to think that it's because he's the least likely to play Risk with the power given to him? | ||
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