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| Nov 16th, 2004 08:15 PM | |||
| AChimp |
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| Nov 16th, 2004 08:12 PM | |||
| ziggytrix | I'd ask you to elaborate, but I'm apatheist. :*( | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 08:10 PM | |||
| Perndog | Actually, we shouldn't expect any better. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 07:48 PM | |||
| ziggytrix |
Seth, you're pigeonholing atheists within your definition of "hardcore atheists". You don't have to know Greek to know your definition of atheism doesn't jive with the denotation of the word. Furthermore, one can believe in ego without believing in a soul. For that matter one could believe in a soul without believing in a god. But it sees arguable whether either of those beliefs would fit into "hardcore atheism." |
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| Nov 16th, 2004 06:44 PM | |||
| Perndog | Atheism to materialism is a pretty ridiculous logical leap, if you ask me. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 06:40 PM | |||
| FartinMowler |
 My rational thought process only last for 30 minutes.
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| Nov 16th, 2004 06:38 PM | |||
| Anonymous | Classy! | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 06:36 PM | |||
| El Blanco | You just said he was already in a box. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 06:35 PM | |||
| FartinMowler | Seth you think in a box... :/ You gotta get out and smell some pussy. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 06:32 PM | |||
| Sethomas | Emotions can be rationalized reductionistically. Conscious will is an emotion. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 06:30 PM | |||
| Bass | Yeah, atheists just don't believe in a higher power. However, according to your definition, they wouldn't believe in love, anger, or any other emotion which is just not true. I would consider free will to be more associated with human emotion than something like god, so it wouldn't be contadictory for atheists to believe in free will... in fact, atheists would be more inclined to believe in free will since they don't have 'fate' to blame. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 06:22 PM | |||
| FartinMowler | I think your making up your own definition :/ | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 06:06 PM | |||
| Sethomas | To be atheist is to posit that nothing exists beyond the material, so therefore the mind is material and thus consciousness is deterministic. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 05:49 PM | |||
| FartinMowler |
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| Nov 16th, 2004 05:40 PM | |||
| Perndog | Max, the only part of your post I'll pick on is the "be my footstool" bit, because I am under the impression that Rand's heroes don't dominate or subjugate anyone. They're just callous. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 10:10 AM | |||
| Stabby | Which is why it's no wonder that she's also the author that all those over-zealous Libertarians love. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 09:56 AM | |||
| mburbank |
"I have a particular distrust of literature created to make people feel good about being assholes." BINGO! This book is a pillar in the fine tradition of books which are lengthy valentines to their author. Here's what I think the book is about. "I'm Ayn Rand, and I'm totally wonderful. My barbaric behavior towards you is proof of my wonderfullness and you should love me for it. No, not love, worship in recognition that I'm more vital than you. My selfishness and self obesession? Just proof of how really big my wonderfullness is. I can do anything I want and I never, never need to feel the least bit bad about any of it because life is my orgasm and the fact that I'm incapable of knowing anyone exists in the same way I do let alone caring about what they think or how they feel is just proof that no one exists in the same way I do. I'm not amoral, I'm perfect. And as you read this you can feel really good about all the shit you've pulled because as long as you don't think you're as perfect as me, and recognize my uber perfection, I'm happy to support the idea that your shitty behavior and self obsession is proof you're pretty perfect too. Now crouch down and be my footstool, and if you could acknowledge that my insisting you be my footstool is proof of my perfection, that would be good." She's also a terrible, terrible, terrible, dilaogue writer, and my suspicion is she wrote her 'philosiphy' in the form of a novel because she sucked egss at expository writing as well. |
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| Nov 16th, 2004 09:06 AM | |||
| sadie | living in the limelight. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 07:40 AM | |||
| FartinMowler |
I will choose a path that's clear I will choose freewill. |
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| Nov 16th, 2004 03:11 AM | |||
| Sethomas | Re-read my post? | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 02:57 AM | |||
| Preechr | You can be an atheist and deterministic. How are they mutually exclusive? It seems that would be more logical... Who's deciding your fate if there's no God? | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 02:42 AM | |||
| Sethomas | Another thing that amuses me about the "Objectivist Club" (funny in itself) here is that they're staunchly atheist yet believe in free will, two ideas which technically should be mutually exclusive. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 02:09 AM | |||
| Helm | Rand doesn't infuriate me but I can't say I agree on a lot of things with her. But do read the book, it's interesting. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 01:25 AM | |||
| Perndog | At least the antagonists are assholes, too. | ||
| Nov 16th, 2004 01:14 AM | |||
| Emu |
That's what I thought. 
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