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Dec 21st, 2004 07:45 PM
ScruU2wice ok fine it's not luck you fucking kyke! Is that what you fucking wanted to hear? god fucking dammit. I had it with your constent shit. It's like all you ever do is throw your goddamn feces on my face and then kiss me good night. I'm not gonna put up with this bull shit any more, I'm packing my bags.

Dec 21st, 2004 08:57 AM
AChimp
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The company I'm at right now told me yesterday that they can guarantee me a full-time position when I graduate. I don't know anyone with an Arts degree who can say the same thing.
you're luck that the company is offering you that but if you think that engineers and economists are afforded anymore security then designers at an advertising firm, I'd like to see your reasoning.
The company is growing at 100% per year in a market with no competitors.
Dec 21st, 2004 12:13 AM
Perndog When did I say I had career goals?
Dec 20th, 2004 11:26 PM
ScruU2wice
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Originally Posted by AChimp
The company I'm at right now told me yesterday that they can guarantee me a full-time position when I graduate. I don't know anyone with an Arts degree who can say the same thing.
you're luck that the company is offering you that but if you think that engineers and economists are afforded anymore security then designers at an advertising firm, I'd like to see your reasoning.
Dec 20th, 2004 12:49 PM
Helm I'm getting a worthless art degree as well. And as I refuse to go into the advertising business altogether I'll probably serve burgers or pick up trash for 8 hours a day and that's completely ok with me. I'll have the rest of the day to look forward to, at least. I'll leave it up to monkeys and satanists to persue more lofty career goals because as we all know, career, money and prestige is everything.
Dec 20th, 2004 12:26 PM
Perndog Will do.
Dec 20th, 2004 08:59 AM
AChimp Unionize!

Or go all Pied Piper on their asses and on your last day, lead all the children out of the mall and have them disappear.
Dec 18th, 2004 11:50 PM
Perndog Actually, I have to quit the Snoopy band after graduation and give my spot up to some youngster. Sad, really.
Dec 18th, 2004 10:19 PM
GADZOOKS
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Camp Snoopy needs its brass band, so duh.
You are my hero
Dec 18th, 2004 09:17 PM
AChimp
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Not to sound insulting, but you come across as very naive. You make it sound like you truly believe IT is some safezone when it comes to employment and a future... but you do see it coming, right? You do notice that wages are dropping across the board and to remain competitive, all companies will have to follow suit eventually. What will you do when programming becomes factory work that is outsourced like virtually all production? Programmers, even good ones, are not safe.


Anyone who stays in pure programming as their career is retarded. That's no different than working as a Wal-Mart greeter for your entire life. The idea is to move up the ladder to the positions where you are designing the software and telling other people what to do. Why you'd ever want to stay in the same position, endangering yourself to every new grad that comes along is beyond me.

The low wages and outsourcing are only affecting the large sectors that have a handful of big competitors. It's not occurring in the smaller specialty markets. Why? Because it makes no sense for the 100-employee company to do so.

Now stuff like tech suppport is a different story...

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By the way, I've also got a job lined up straight out of school, and I'm getting a worthless BA in Music.
Camp Snoopy needs its brass band, so duh.
Dec 18th, 2004 08:54 PM
Perndog By the way, I've also got a job lined up straight out of school, and I'm getting a worthless BA in Music.

So there.
Dec 18th, 2004 08:53 PM
Perndog Dilbert is an excellent programmer. And look at his shitty job.

Sucker.
Dec 18th, 2004 08:31 PM
soundtest Actually, my roommate who is pursuing a Political Science degree was given the same promise at a radio station he writes and edits for. Once he graduates, he'll be taken on with a fantastic salary and benefits package.

Not to sound insulting, but you come across as very naive. You make it sound like you truly believe IT is some safezone when it comes to employment and a future... but you do see it coming, right? You do notice that wages are dropping across the board and to remain competitive, all companies will have to follow suit eventually. What will you do when programming becomes factory work that is outsourced like virtually all production? Programmers, even good ones, are not safe.
Dec 18th, 2004 12:11 PM
AChimp The company I'm at right now told me yesterday that they can guarantee me a full-time position when I graduate. I don't know anyone with an Arts degree who can say the same thing.
Dec 17th, 2004 10:23 PM
ScruU2wice hey jerk, the jerkstore called, and there all outta you
Dec 16th, 2004 08:38 AM
AChimp Homo.
Dec 16th, 2004 12:10 AM
ScruU2wice
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don't know how you'll ever get a job with an arts degree.
Yeah achimp, it's not like some industrial designer made your monitor, keyboard, mouse, speaker, car, segway scooter and basically anything with a shell to cover up the ugly electronics on the inside

and of course no one designed your furniture

Plus, I doubt there are artists who design the logos for different comapanies.

you know cuz we try to surround ourselves with unnatractive things. You're right art is kinda uselss...
Dec 14th, 2004 01:39 AM
Strapping Young Lad
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Talent and drive can only take you as far as a given road goes. All the talent and determination in the world won't make a difference if your work isn't "discovered" until after your death, which has often been the case for famous artists.

That leaves chance, or nepotism, which ultimately is also chance in my estimation. Life is a crapshoot, and the dice were cast before you were born. Hooray!
"Chance" I'd rather refer to as "luck," and "luck" is something I believe can be manipulated and harnessed through positive thinking and persistance. I know I'm sounding like one of those self-help book nutsacs, but I've witnessed what a little thrust and determination can do in situations that seem hopeless.
Dec 13th, 2004 10:49 PM
AChimp The trick is to get recruited while you're in school so you don't have to hunt for a job.
Dec 13th, 2004 10:34 PM
Perndog Prostitution is just another job.
Dec 13th, 2004 10:18 PM
ziggytrix Prostitutes are NOT the most financially safe people, Perndog.
Dec 13th, 2004 09:59 PM
Perndog That's where realizing that the most financially safe people in the world are smart enough to find sources of income outside their jobs so they don't *need* marketable skills just to subsist.

Of course, no one ever believes this, so I probably shouldn't even bother saying it.

Dummies.
Dec 13th, 2004 05:58 PM
ziggytrix Talent and drive can only take you as far as a given road goes. All the talent and determination in the world won't make a difference if your work isn't "discovered" until after your death, which has often been the case for famous artists.

That leaves chance, or nepotism, which ultimately is also chance in my estimation. Life is a crapshoot, and the dice were cast before you were born. Hooray!
Dec 13th, 2004 05:39 PM
Strapping Young Lad Conversely if what you love to do isn't a marketable skill, you're fucked.

That's where talent and drive come in.
Dec 13th, 2004 05:36 PM
ziggytrix Conversely if what you love to do isn't a marketable skill, you're fucked. My B.S. wasn't huge help in the job hunt, since comp sci majors are a dime a dozen right now I guess. Decent wage temp work was easy as hell to get tho, especially in Wal-Mart country.

In the end I took the nepotism route, and it's workin out pretty good.
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