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| Mar 24th, 2003 09:38 AM | |||
| mburbank | Bump. Becuase Ronnie Can't admit it when he lies. | ||
| Mar 21st, 2003 04:13 PM | |||
| mburbank |
"Max, you are against the right of a teacher to lead a class of students in prayer if they so choose to do so." First of all, never say anything about my spelling until you're grammar improve. 'They so chose to do so.' Honestly. I assume this is a public school, since in private school, the problem of right vs. laws would not rise. When you say 'they' do you mean the students? Do you mean all of them? Are we then assuming a classroom wiith only onbe religion? How did we determine that they so chose to do so? Do you believe in free speech, or hate it, naldo? If the teacher wanted to lead the class in a joint recitation of the phrase "Jesus was just a loud mouth jew who couldn't keep his head low nd got himself killed for it." If that teacher was fired, would you defend his right to do what he did? If not, is it becuase you hate what America stands for? You are playing a sophist game to avoid the fact you already know. When you said I hated what America stands for, you were telling a lie. Be a man. Admit your fault. This squirming you go in for whenever anyone catches you out behaving in ways you insist you don't is distatseful. You know it was a lie. Are you such a small man you can't own up to it? |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 02:36 PM | |||
| ItalianStereotype | yes, the national government is supreme of smaller forms of government, but the constitution is extremely ambiguous in this instance. this is why the grounds on which brown v board was decided is doubtful at best. | ||
| Mar 21st, 2003 02:21 PM | |||
| kellychaos |
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 I was going to say that. A lot of people here who seem to be for the intertwining of church and state oversimplify the case by daring others to find, somewhere in the First Amendment, where that idea is specifically addressed. Well for one, it's in the "spirit of the clause" and this point has been upheld in numerous Supreme Court precedent setting cases. If you like, I can find links to such cases. Those types decisions reflect just how flexible and amazing the Constitution is and are every bit as important as the original document. |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 02:01 PM | |||
| ItalianStereotype | woah. that was WAY too many posts. just use your edit button from now on. | ||
| Mar 21st, 2003 02:00 PM | |||
| Jeanette X |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 01:59 PM | |||
| Jeanette X |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 01:57 PM | |||
| Jeanette X |
[quote="VinceZeb"]Seems like you are trying at every oppurunity to prove how american you are, Max? Internal conflicts, perhaps?quote] I think it was because he was accused of being un-American, not because he has any issues. |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 01:53 PM | |||
| Jeanette X |
[quote="Ronnie Raygun"] "The government doesn't get involved if a kid wants to pray." Not true. There are many cases where kids are not allowed to pray in school. quote] Which cases? |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 01:51 PM | |||
| Jeanette X |
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And generally it is not the government which interferes, it often the ACLU. |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 01:47 PM | |||
| Jeanette X |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 01:45 PM | |||
| ItalianStereotype | they might be government funded, but every school district i have seen is an INDEPENDENT school district, meaning they are subject to their own regulation. | ||
| Mar 21st, 2003 01:42 PM | |||
| kellychaos |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 01:38 PM | |||
| Pub Lover |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 01:31 PM | |||
| VinceZeb |
Then why did they have all those Muslim prayers and make kids do the make believe "living as a muslim" classes back after 9/11? Why can we have symbols of Chanuaka and Kwanzaa (sorry, but the biggest bunch of bullshit ever. Even the GUY WHO MADE IT said it was bogus), but if we have a manger in a public school, the ACLU flies down and crushes it? Sorry, but the public school system doesnt want Judeo-(mostly) Christian thoughts and ideas in there, because it may offend someone who hasn't ever had to wipe their own ass, although anything else is just an "creative expression of free speech." |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 12:45 PM | |||
| Anonymous |
I really am with Max on this one. I think this country needs to be be very careful in who we accuse as "non-americans." I will argue with people I oppose until the day I die, but I will never say they shouldn't be allowed to oppose me. The day this country defines what is ok and what is not ok, is the day we are no longer American. Luckily, I don't see our government doing that, but rather the public in general. I do believe there are limits to freedom of speech, however. Obviously, treason is unacceptable, but, beyond treason, I believe it is unacceptable to obstruct business, or day to day life for anyone. However, these people are almost always dealt with legally, and without repercussions from the public. I don't know anyone who would say a anti-war activist group should be able to riot against police, or commit some other ridiculous act, without being punished. As for prayer, I haven't seen the government really take that away from anyone, although I do have a concern with objection to the word God in the Pledge of Allegiance, as I do not believe this refers to anyone's God in general. I also believe that prior to the United States taking out Saddam Hussein with our very first shot (because of our ridiculously incredible intelligence), he was proven to be in breach of UN Resolution 1441. |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 12:43 PM | |||
| sspadowsky |
Incorrect. As an agent of a government-sponsored institution, she is not allowed to lead a class in religious exercises. I imagine she would be welcome to invite students to an extracurricular religious function. ________ BODY SCIENCE |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 12:39 PM | |||
| Ronnie Raygun |
Max, you are against the right of a teacher to lead a class of students in prayer if they so choose to do so. By doing that you are attempting to limit free speech which is against the 1st amendment. |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 12:36 PM | |||
| Anonymous | "Nazi's..... I hate Illinois Nazis" | ||
| Mar 21st, 2003 12:31 PM | |||
| mburbank |
I love free speech. I support it whole heartedly. It's problematic and fraught with danger, but it's a principle american value. Much as I hate neo nazis, I even supported their right to march in Skokie. I support Naldo's right to pray wherever and whenever he wants. He can even type a prayer in here. I don't llike many of the things which tumble out of Naldos mouth, but I support his right to say them and would be strongly against anyone who wanted to take that righht away from him. I support naldos right to stand up at a football game and attempt to lead students in prayer. If he was arrested, I would help him get in touch with the ACLU. |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 12:25 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
Extremists It is sort of funny..... The extremists on both sides are closer to the opposing party than they think..... So far left you become right So far right you become left |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 12:21 PM | |||
| VinceZeb | Some republicans try to do it, just so they can get votes. A core republican doesnt want big govt, and libertarians want even less. Democrats on the other hand have been turned into Soviet Union Jr in the fact that they think our rights come from a govt and not from a Higher Power, in which the only thing govt should do is protect rights and not infringe on them. | ||
| Mar 21st, 2003 12:18 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
Party Republican Party - Less big government more local government. I love this concept. If only it were held too. Unfortunatly, (just like the democrats) they want total say so and total power. And not just here, they want to spread to the world. |
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| Mar 21st, 2003 12:17 PM | |||
| VinceZeb | Its very scary. | ||
| Mar 21st, 2003 12:15 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
:( And that is what scares me the most......... |
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