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Apr 1st, 2005 07:53 PM

Abcdxxxx

Okay so how is it that this fog doesn't serve Liberals and Democrats as well?

I always have a problem with the implication the media is protecting or placating the neoconservatives. That is what you're suggesting, and that is a conspiracy theory. I've worked in Broadcasting, and watched stories go to air. The people at the newsdesk who picked the stories which were covered were always these die hard liberals.

Apr 1st, 2005 10:21 AM

mburbank

" think of all the things that go unnoticed by the general public."

All the things. ALL the things. ALL the THINGS. Not speciffic diabolical plans, not secret, shadowy plots, ALL THE THINGS! Does Terry Schiavo affect your pocket book, your job security, our energy consupmtion, our relationship with other world powers, nuclear proliferation, global warming, weapons sales, the skyrocketing costs of gasoline and college tuition, the appointment of someone who hates the UN to the ambassadorship, the appointment of a non economist who was totally wrong about Iraq in every way to head the world bank, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc? This is not about taking your eye off the ball, this is about forgetting theres even a game going on.

My opinion is that general mass ignorance serves Neoconservatism. And don't just take it from me, take it from them! Cross reference the phrases "Neoconservatism' and 'Noble lie' and see what you come up with.

It isn't a conspiracy, it's a tactic. If the public is all frothed up about issues like steroids in baseball, the ten commandments in courthouse, the word 'God' in the Pledge of allegiance, gay marriage and other such fiddle dee dee, then no one pays much attention to ANYTHING (not speciffic plots) going on in the world.

In a little over two years, the folks currently running this country are going to move into high paying lobbying jobs, leaving the country in massive debt and hip deep in a war with no exit strategy. I also think they're going to leave their own party pretty much in tatters as well, not that the Democrats have anything resembling a spine in a suit ready to do anything, and they're just as happy with mass idiocy as anyone else, they just can't find a way to spin it.

While I'm flattered you'd compare me to Chomsky at all, I'm not a fan and I promise you I' more fun at parties than he is.

Mar 31st, 2005 03:56 PM

Ant10708

A paralysed man in the US has become the first person to benefit from a brain chip that reads his mind.

Matthew Nagle, 25, was left paralysed from the neck down and confined to a wheelchair after a knife attack in 2001.

The pioneering surgery at New England Sinai Hospital, Massachusetts, last summer means he can now control everyday objects by thought alone.

The brain chip reads his mind and sends the thoughts to a computer to decipher.

Mind over matter

He can think his TV on and off, change channels and alter the volume thanks to the technology and software linked to devices in his home.

Scientists have been working for some time to devise a way to enable paralysed people to control devices with the brain.

Studies have shown that monkeys can control a computer with electrodes implanted into their brain.

Mar 31st, 2005 11:34 AM

El Blanco

Quote:

Here's the other way in which the cyncical circus surrounding Terry Schiavo and her families misery serves politicians.

All the noise drowns out things that are happening in the world and our country. If all the water cooler message board talk is centered around Schiavo (and more fool us if it is) think of all the things that go unnoticed by the general public. I'm not alleging specific conspiracy. I'm saying that a widespread highly emotional fog is a very good thing for Robber Barrons, power mongers and Neocons.

So ,where did you cut and paste that one from?

Quote:

That's your reading of it, and I find it quite revealing. All I did was cut n' paste some of my first finds from a list of top stories, which is why I included the guy from Crowded house croaking.

Oh get off of it. Thats exactly where you were going with this. You word it just so there is only one direction we can go with it.

Chomsky tries the same bullshit better and I don't buy it from him.

Mar 31st, 2005 11:19 AM

mburbank

" You even decided to tie the terms "neocons" "powermongers" and robber barrons" together."

I have no problem there. I could also add in "Born again brown shirts" and "war profiteers" without loosing any sleep or implying conspiracy. You lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

"Whether that was all subconsious or not, you tried to imply that the administration is trying to pull a whole bunch of fast ones and using Shiavo as a smoke screen."

That's your reading of it, and I find it quite revealing. All I did was cut n' paste some of my first finds from a list of top stories, which is why I included the guy from Crowded house croaking. If you see in a list of major news stories nothing but things the administration might want to sweep under the rug I would suggest that maybe I have a point.

Again: I suggest nothing so coherent as a conspiracy. Instead I suggest a managament style that features a strong desire that people do not look to closely at ANYTHING IT DOES. I am not the first person to associatte this administration with a culture of secrecy. I think if you asked W at a Press conference what color his tie was he'd find a way not to answer. It's reflexive. And I think the steroid hearings and the Schiavo case are bread and circuses.

Mar 30th, 2005 07:33 PM

El Blanco

I may have stretched it a little, but my point was that all the stuff Max posted would make someone believe he thinks some big conspiracy is going on. That one little sentence in the middle of it doesn't change it.

Mar 30th, 2005 06:19 PM

Chojin

i liked it better when it'd censor more things than ****** :<

Mar 30th, 2005 06:09 PM

sspadowsky

I like you, Blanco, but you're being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. I'll leave it there.

And Chojin, bless you for the filter. It brings me much joy.

Mar 30th, 2005 06:03 PM

Chojin

Mar 30th, 2005 06:03 PM

El Blanco

OK, the forum filter just made me spit water all over my monitor.

Mar 30th, 2005 06:02 PM

El Blanco

I hate ******s and spics and chinks. I think we should send them all back to Africa or Mexico or whereever they caqme from and nuke the whole place.

I'm not a racist or anything.

Mar 30th, 2005 05:34 PM

sspadowsky

Re-read it, Blanco:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max

Here's the other way in which the cyncical circus surrounding Terry Schiavo and her families misery serves politicians.

All the noise drowns out things that are happening in the world and our country. If all the water cooler message board talk is centered around Schiavo (and more fool us if it is) think of all the things that go unnoticed by the general public. >>>>>>>I'm not alleging specific conspiracy.<<<<<<< I'm saying that a widespread highly emotional fog is a very good thing for Robber Barrons, power mongers and Neocons.

It is possible to note a fortuitous coincidence without implying that certain rotten evil bastards engineered it.

Mar 30th, 2005 05:23 PM

ziggytrix

Well Max, you should be ASHAMED. Implying such naughty things about our good President and trying to hide it as a cynical commentary on the current state of American culture!

Mar 30th, 2005 05:11 PM

El Blanco

At first "bread and Circuses" was an observation. It then became a poltical strategy and in a few cases, a couple emperors did try some shinanegans.

Also, all this time people were complaining about Shiavo, you could have been drawing attention to stories like what you posted rapid fire style in this thread. Instead, you strung a bunch of words together and implied that the President was benefiting from it. You even decided to tie the terms "neocons" "powermongers" and robber barrons" together.

Whether that was all subconsious or not, you tried to imply that the administration is trying to pull a whole bunch of fast ones and using Shiavo as a smoke screen.

Mar 30th, 2005 05:05 PM

kellychaos

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziggytrix

It's the difference between saying "people are paying attention to the wrong things, which is convenient for the powers that be" and saying "the powers that be are covering things up."

Note: In my opinion "the powers that be" does not necessarily equate to "neocons".

If people had any choices in media, who would be putting bread on Ashlee Simpson's table. Answer me that, mister!

Mar 30th, 2005 10:36 AM

mburbank

Blanco, Abedcydydgbdtg3xx, ever hear the term "Bread and Circuses"?

Was that a conspiracy theory?

If so, then I guess this is too. I didn't pick stories I thought the administration was trying to bury. I took an array of stories that might well have made the front page. Serious conspiracy takes serious competence, something I think this administration is seriously lacking. I think the administration would be happy to bury EVERY story the don't hand pick. Maybe all administrations feel this way, I don't doubt it, but THIS administration is particularly effective or ruthless about message control, depending on which way you look at it.

Mar 30th, 2005 03:47 AM

I certainly must see that in action.

Mar 30th, 2005 01:15 AM

ziggytrix

now THAT'S entertainews!

Mar 30th, 2005 12:14 AM

Ant10708

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4390753.stm

Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi and the Hollywood actor Richard Gere have treated reporters to an impromptu ballroom dance performance.

Mr Koizumi took Gere's hand in front of a roomful of journalists and asked "Shall We Dance?"- the title of Gere's latest movie.

Gere obliged, but insisted on taking the lead, as the two twirled around the room for a few seconds.

Afterwards Gere described Mr Koizumi as "charming and spontaneous".

Mr Koizumi returned the compliment, saying Gere, who is in Japan to promote Shall We Dance, was a great movie star and a wonderful person.

The twirl follows Gere's endorsement on Monday of Mr Koizumi's views regarding an arms ban on China.

Gere said he approved of Mr Koizumi's opposition to a plan by the European Union to lift the ban, which was put in place following the Tiananmen Square crackdown.

Someone please try to find a video of this.

Gere insisted on being 'the man'

Mar 30th, 2005 12:00 AM

ziggytrix

fuckin christ, does it really matter? the merits of the other stories certainly wouldn't be diminished even if some shadowy figures were trying to keep them out of the limelight.

fortunately we don't even have to worry about that, since that other shit is really boring and you'd actually have to know a LOT about what's going on to be able to debate most of it, and frankly, the schiavo story is much better for endless self-gratification through argument. hooray!

Mar 29th, 2005 10:35 PM

Abcdxxxx

"It's the difference between saying "people are paying attention to the wrong things, which is convenient for the powers that be" and saying "the powers that be are covering things up.""

Burbank's original post implies both.

Mar 29th, 2005 08:13 PM

ziggytrix

Mar 29th, 2005 07:55 PM

El Blanco

Quote:

Originally Posted by mburbank

Thank you Ziggy! Funny how people missed that.

I didn't miss it. I just think everything else you just posted contradicts that.

Mar 29th, 2005 07:17 PM

Abcdxxxx

Well you're saying this "fog" serves the neocons and robber barons.... but you're implying that they are intentionally seizing on this to bury incriminating stories about themselves....right? Sure sounds like a presumptious conspiracy theory to me... even if you're not alledging "specifics".

Mar 29th, 2005 10:46 AM

mburbank

Thank you Ziggy! Funny how people missed that.

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