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Apr 29th, 2006 07:15 AM
Sethomas I think the critical difference is between "use" of rights and "perversion" of rights. The latter usually comes about when rough circumstances allow people to get away with total circumvention of limits on power, and thus they lose their intended efficacy when people try to invoke them during brighter days.
Apr 28th, 2006 02:03 PM
El Blanco They aren't privaleges, they are rights. Huge difference.

And if you can't abuse (or as some put it, excersise) these rights, whats the point of them?
Apr 28th, 2006 01:45 PM
Miss Modular
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Here's what I like about America. The Bil of Rights. The Constitution. Separation of Powers. If our society falls, it will be because a bunch of dumb fuckers whittled away those pillars fro short term gain.
This is also what I like about America. If people are going to abuse these privileges (sp?) for their own gain, then trying to keep it together is futile.
Apr 28th, 2006 09:21 AM
mburbank Do you know what sarcasm is?

And do you like America? I think you like ''Amerika" , a fantasy land of your imagination, Where Viking warriors ride spunky Palamino and settle their arguments a brawlin' and a drinkin' an expressin' their rugged individulaism by doin' the same as everyone else.

Here's what I like about America. The Bil of Rights. The Constitution. Separation of Powers. If our society falls, it will be because a bunch of dumb fuckers whittled away those pillars fro short term gain.
Apr 27th, 2006 09:19 AM
Kulturkampf
Re: Our Majority Is In Jeopardy-- Gingrich

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History is full of once great but now collapsed civilizations, e.g. Rome, Greece, the Aztecs, the Mayas. And yet as Americans, we deceive ourselves into believing that somehow we are permanent, that we will escape the fate of those who also believed that they were unconquerable.
Eh, let it fall, I say.
Why?

Are you an American?

I have feelings for my civilization... Feelings of pride. I like us.

Do you like us?
Apr 26th, 2006 10:18 PM
Miss Modular
Re: Our Majority Is In Jeopardy-- Gingrich

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Originally Posted by Newt
History is full of once great but now collapsed civilizations, e.g. Rome, Greece, the Aztecs, the Mayas. And yet as Americans, we deceive ourselves into believing that somehow we are permanent, that we will escape the fate of those who also believed that they were unconquerable.
Eh, let it fall, I say.
Apr 26th, 2006 11:22 AM
mburbank I assume he was refering to telling his wife he wated out while she was in a Hospital bed recovering from cancer surgery.
Apr 26th, 2006 10:23 AM
KevinTheOmnivore I'm glad somebody caught that.
Apr 26th, 2006 10:20 AM
ziggytrix
Re: Our Majority Is In Jeopardy-- Gingrich

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I know a little something about adventure.
Apr 25th, 2006 11:39 PM
Preechr http://www.newt.org/
Apr 25th, 2006 09:13 AM
mburbank Questions:

1.) Do you think Newt wants to be a King Maker or a King? I personally think he'd like to find a pleasant stooge to front for him and be a Dick Chenney kind of VP or a Kar Rove kind of adviser, but I don't think he coud ever shut up enough to pull it off.

2.) It's pretty funny when you think about it, that it only took twelve years to fuck things up this bad. Huh. I guess that isn't a question.

3.) "History is full of once great but now collapsed civilizations, e.g. Rome, Greece, the Aztecs, the Mayas. And yet as Americans, we deceive ourselves into believing that somehow we are permanent, that we will escape the fate of those who also believed that they were unconquerable."

Don't you hate agreeing with Ginrich about ANYTHING, even something as obvious as this?

4.) "2. Defending God in the public square; "
Shouldn't defending Christmas come first? 'Cause there's a whole war on Christmas. His whole credability goes right out the window here. First it's BLATANT pandering and second, anyone who really believes God needs defending doesn't know shit about God. What, does he seriously think Freedom of religion is in danger? If that's not what he means, what the fuck is he talking about? Why doesn't he make issue #2 "We really, really, really need the paranoid religous conservative vote.
Apr 25th, 2006 08:43 AM
KevinTheOmnivore
Our Majority Is In Jeopardy-- Gingrich

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/win...e.php?id=14270

Our Majority Is In Jeopardy
by Newt Gingrich
Posted Apr 24, 2006

I know a little something about adventure.

In the late 1970s, the leader of the Republican minority in the U.S. House of Representatives used to greet newly elected Republican members with a white flag of surrender. "Every day I wake up and look in the mirror and say to myself, 'Today you're going to be a loser,'" said the former minority leader. "And after you're here awhile, you'll start to feel the same way. But don't let it bother you. You'll get used to it."

A party whose leader would offer such advice deserves to be in the minority -- and we were, for 40 years. But in 1994 we changed that with a bold ideas-based, values-led grassroots movement. We believed in transformational leadership: accountability in government, balanced budgets, lower taxes, stronger defense and reforming the welfare state. And we believed this: To bring about this transformation, we had to reject the minority leader's advice. We would not "get used" to losing. We would win. And win we did.

But today, 12 years later, conservatives are grasping for a reinvigorated movement that will return our party to its roots of smaller government, innovative ideas and common sense solutions. The situation is serious. We are in jeopardy of losing the majority we won in 1994. Now is the time to act.

Five Challenges to Our Future

History is full of once great but now collapsed civilizations, e.g. Rome, Greece, the Aztecs, the Mayas. And yet as Americans, we deceive ourselves into believing that somehow we are permanent, that we will escape the fate of those who also believed that they were unconquerable.

My stepfather was a career soldier who served America in World War II, Korea and Vietnam. It was while living in France -- where the damage of World War II bombs and the suffering of those wounded were still apparent -- that my father's lessons hit home for me. We toured the battlefield of Verdun, the greatest battle site of the First World War. I realized then that the difference between preserving our freedoms and losing them to tyrants is the quality of our leaders, the courage of our people and the willingness to work every day for the implementation of the solutions necessary for our survival.

The future cannot be left to chance. The future must be won.

Today, in order to win the future, there are five challenges that America must meet:

1. Confronting a world in which America's enemies, including the irreconcilable wing of Islam and rogue dictatorships, could acquire and use nuclear or biological weapons;


2. Defending God in the public square;


3. Protecting America's unique civilization;


4. Competing in the global economy in an era of the economic rise of China and India, which will require transformations in litigation, education, taxation, regulation, and environmental, energy and health policies for America to continue to be the most successful economy in the world;


5. Promoting active, healthy aging so more people can live longer, which will require dramatic transformation in pensions, Social Security and health care.

For 400 years, in the spirit of freedom and entrepreneurial pioneering, we have defined a better America that has overcome every challenge. It is in this tradition that I will regularly share my thoughts here on the solutions necessary for our generation to meet these challenges and win the future.

I can make only one promise: It will be challenging and engaging, and it will never be dull. But then again, adventures never are.


Mr. Gingrich is the former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives and author of "Winning the Future" (published by Regnery, a HUMAN EVENTS sister company). Click here to get his free Winning the Future e-mail newsletter.

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