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Jul 6th, 2006 04:28 AM
Spectre X That was actually an episode of the Justice League cartoon, and it wouldn't translate well into movies because the general public isn't intererested in seeing a powerless Superman fight giant cockroaches with a sword he made by himself, a sledgehammer, and an immortal villain-turned-hero-with-a-ray-gun.

And Supes driving a motorcycle? Sorry, that's too much like the abortion that Tim Burton wanted to turn Superman into.
Jul 6th, 2006 02:10 AM
Comrade Rocket there was an episode of the animated series where superman was teleported to a world with a red sun and he lost all his powers. He had to survive using only his wits. I think he fought some wolves and had made a sword somehow.

i forgot most of it, but i remember it being cool because superman had become no stronger than you or I but still was able to survive in a harsh enviroment. I also remember seeing a comic book that had a "what if?" where krypton never was destroyed and Kal basically drove around on a motorcycle.

i forgot what im getting at. But i think a superman movie with one of the above storylines would be a real interesting take on things.
Jul 5th, 2006 08:01 AM
Spectre X
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Originally Posted by StupidKraut
I miss the Cyborg and the Enforcer (the Superman with yellow goggles) I'm really not claiming to know all that much about Supes, the only comics I have are one of the Doomsday comics, the one where Cyborg "makes them look" then blows them away and The Bloodlines Annual Superman (origin of Loose Cannon)
It's the Eradicator, not the Enforcer.
Jul 5th, 2006 04:51 AM
Zomboid
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Originally Posted by Krythor
Arrowx, could you please stop reading wikipedia before every post? Thanks.
Jul 5th, 2006 12:37 AM
ArrowX I miss the Cyborg and the Enforcer (the Superman with yellow goggles) I'm really not claiming to know all that much about Supes, the only comics I have are one of the Doomsday comics, the one where Cyborg "makes them look" then blows them away and The Bloodlines Annual Superman (origin of Loose Cannon)
Jul 5th, 2006 12:27 AM
ScruU2wice
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Originally Posted by Spectre X
It's black and white with him, yes, but what is right and what is wrong doesn't necessarily follow the law.

In Superman: Birthright, he shoots a guy in the face with a gun, because the guy sold a kid a gun, with which the kid threatened a little girl, traumatizing her for life, probably. So Supes goes to the guy, picks up a gun, point it at the guy's face and pulls the trigger. And then he cacthes the bullet before it hits him so that he isn't physically hurt at least, but now he's just as traumatized as the girl, having gone through the same thing.
How is that bad ass? the guy doesn't get shot in the face. I don't see how teaching the guy a lesson/ mentally scarring him for life is cooler than rorschac breaking peoples arms for breathing too loud.

I'm not a superman fan so I only have casual knowledge of his endeavors. I know enough about superman to know that he was pretty fucked with doomsday and that's it. But that just made me cheer on doomsday for kicking his ass. and if there are all these people that put supermans life in peril I might see a movie about them instead of one where lex luthors master plan is to sodomize superman with kryptonite, but I guess not enough to actually hurt him.

From the trend of this topic I don't see this movie doing anything else that could make me like superman more than the near zero level I do right now.
Jul 5th, 2006 12:11 AM
Esuohlim I thought Bosworth's Lois Lane was incredibly grumpy and bitchy and I didn't like her one bit.

The thing that bugs me about Superman is that COME ON GUYS ALL HE HAS TO DO IS WEAR GLASSES AND HE CAN FOOL THE WHOLE WORLD PFFFFFFFFFT.

Spacey pretty much saved the movie for me. I didn't get all that into it.
Jul 4th, 2006 10:03 PM
Ninjavenom I used to think he sucked because of having too many powers as well, but this movie highlighted everything that really kicks ass about Superman. He's great because he's kind of tragic. His powers are really just plot devices, which i think is really pretty cool about him. He's so well-developed and he has great charisma, plus, as spectre said, his dedication to saving lives is nothing less than fanatic. He really isn't that strong when he has to fight certain villains, too, such as Darkseid (whose eye lasers have almost as many powers as supes does,) Doomsday, and sometimes Lobo. Kevin Spacey did a boner-inspiring job playing Luthor, also, i must admit.
Jul 4th, 2006 09:22 PM
ArrowX Do you fucking women have to carry on an argument about EVERYTHING. Thats the problem wiht the internet, it gives the stupidest people enough time to research and form a valid argument, so nobody ever truly loses. Just State your opinion ONCE and shut the hell up about it.

You assholes made me agree with Jixby
Jul 4th, 2006 06:01 PM
Jixby Phillips fuck you you fucking crybabies
Jul 4th, 2006 04:58 PM
Zomboid Of course superman's pretty much unstoppable. Doesn't mean he doesn't still have some badass fights. Read kingdom come, for instance :o
Jul 4th, 2006 03:30 PM
Spectre X That's because he is. He was the first, pretty much. You should read more comics with Superman in them and your appreciation of him will go up.
Jul 4th, 2006 02:48 PM
Immortal Goat I didn't know that thing about the gun, and yes, that is pretty badass. Still, though, for one reason or another, I just find him to be a boring character. He has become simply the most basic superhero to me.
Jul 4th, 2006 02:39 PM
Spectre X It's black and white with him, yes, but what is right and what is wrong doesn't necessarily follow the law.

In Superman: Birthright, he shoots a guy in the face with a gun, because the guy sold a kid a gun, with which the kid threatened a little girl, traumatizing her for life, probably. So Supes goes to the guy, picks up a gun, point it at the guy's face and pulls the trigger. And then he cacthes the bullet before it hits him so that he isn't physically hurt at least, but now he's just as traumatized as the girl, having gone through the same thing.

And it's not always about what danger Superman is in, it's what danger other people are in. It's very hard to put Supes himself in physical danger, but Superman is and has always been about preventing people from getting hurt. He always tries to minimize collateral damage, if he has to choose between hitting a superpowered villain or saving dozens of people from falling rubble, he'll always go for the people first, because Superman is about protecting lives.

And still, there are plenty of times when Superman is at risk of snuffing it. There was that whole Imperiex thing, and pretty much whenever he went up against Darkseid or his agents. Also just recently in Infinite Crisis, though I'd rather ignore that whole deal. The whole World War Three storyline with Mageddon having trapped Supes inside him, mentally torturing him and whatnot. The list goes on and on and on.
Jul 4th, 2006 11:55 AM
Immortal Goat Let me rephrase that. I'VE never felt that he's been in any real danger aside from Doomsday. I find him to be an incredibly boring character that never (in my readings of him) even realizes that there are shades of gray in the moral spectrum. It's black and white with him.
Jul 4th, 2006 11:22 AM
Spectre X
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Originally Posted by Immortal Goat
He knows enough about Superman to know that, for the most part, he's a boring character who is never really in danger. Even when someone gets Kryptonite, when you see Superman on the scene, you know for a fact that everything is going to be alright. And even if he screws up, he'll fly around the world so darn fast that time will reverse itself, and "Hey, everything's alright again, LOL".

Infallibility pisses me off.
And you know even less, apparently.
Jul 4th, 2006 10:18 AM
Immortal Goat He knows enough about Superman to know that, for the most part, he's a boring character who is never really in danger. Even when someone gets Kryptonite, when you see Superman on the scene, you know for a fact that everything is going to be alright. And even if he screws up, he'll fly around the world so darn fast that time will reverse itself, and "Hey, everything's alright again, LOL".

Infallibility pisses me off.
Jul 4th, 2006 05:16 AM
Krythor Arrowx, could you please stop reading wikipedia before every post? Thanks.
Jul 4th, 2006 04:45 AM
Spectre X
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Originally Posted by ScruU2wice
I don't know if the argument is over but Superman is my least favorite concept for a superhero, because technically he's God cept when he get's a wiff of kryptonite which always happens but never in enough quantities to actually harm him more then a bad migrane and forced blowjob stance.

I've never ever felt that superman was ever in real trouble. Which really makes me bored. Second of all he's just a do gooder and not really hitting how poorly defined the lines of right and wrong are in real life.
Yeah.

You don't know anything about Superman, apparently.
Jul 3rd, 2006 11:27 PM
Immortal Goat I couldn't have said it better myself, Scru. That's why I only really liked the Death and Life saga. It was the only time he was ever in real trouble.
Jul 3rd, 2006 11:23 PM
ScruU2wice I don't know if the argument is over but Superman is my least favorite concept for a superhero, because technically he's God cept when he get's a wiff of kryptonite which always happens but never in enough quantities to actually harm him more then a bad migrane and forced blowjob stance.

I've never ever felt that superman was ever in real trouble. Which really makes me bored. Second of all he's just a do gooder and not really hitting how poorly defined the lines of right and wrong are in real life.
Jul 3rd, 2006 09:52 PM
Mike P Some of the comics also posit that the more yellow sun radiation Superman absorbs, the less Kryptonite affects him.
Jul 3rd, 2006 08:55 PM
ArrowX Isn't doomsday like 99% invincible? Something about him not being able to die the same way twice?

Fun Fact: Doomsdays name was given to him by Booster Gold
Jul 3rd, 2006 07:20 PM
Brandon Saw it at a press screening last week. I liked it, even though it was loaded down with some monstrous superhero movie cliches.

Why is nobody mentioning Parker Posey?
Jul 3rd, 2006 05:32 PM
Ant10708 I found the movie to be very very boring. I did like Kevin Spacey as Lex Luther though.

I was never a Superman fan so I may be biased agaisnt the film but I was just bored.
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