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Aug 28th, 2006 09:16 PM | ||
Abcdxxxx |
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in either case, there was some interesting speculation at debka: http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1201 This editoria challenges the idea that Hezbollah have done what no other Arab army have pulled off against the IDF: http://www.reason.com/links/links082406.shtml All that said, Arutz7 (IsraelNN) reported that the IDF wants out of Lebanon quick because Hezbollah have re-armed and they're sitting ducks. In the old days that would have been the reason they would have wanted to stay in there and fight. |
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Aug 28th, 2006 04:11 PM | ||
Abcdxxxx |
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Aug 28th, 2006 03:09 PM | ||
Courage the Cowardly Dog |
Remember when during week one of the war they uncovered the American $100 conterfeiting in Hezballah controlled financial district the FBI has been looking for since 2002? Anyone else think, and this may be me being paranoid but, does anyone else think the money Iran is giving Hezballh may be the same money Hezballah was counterfieting, being returned and laundered through Iran? Hezballah was founded by Iranian gaurds in othr countries. We wonder where they get the money since their banks where blown up in the war but we forget they were caught counterfieting, and where you counterfeit you need to launder as far away as possible. |
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Aug 28th, 2006 01:17 PM | ||
KevinTheOmnivore |
abc, what do you think is behind this Nasrallah mea cullpa? Is this just another attempt to promote their underdog, victim image, or is Nasrallah perhaps bowing to pressures from Iran and/or Syria??? "This is what terrorist democracy looks like?" |
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Aug 28th, 2006 12:56 PM | ||
Courage the Cowardly Dog |
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Of course killing all the prisoners and people in asylums or with any health problem sure freed up the money for the other social programs. |
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Aug 28th, 2006 12:53 PM | ||
Courage the Cowardly Dog |
Kofi Annan in typical two faced fashion is calling for the release of the soldiers kidnapped and DEMANDING Israel stop the blockade that prevents weapons from getting to the Hezballan troops and breaking the treaty. I wonder what religion Annan belongs to and what country is he from? This might explain his leanings a bit. |
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Aug 28th, 2006 01:42 AM | ||
Abcdxxxx |
Pure comedy, and an admission of guilt! Quote:
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Aug 22nd, 2006 11:45 PM | ||
Preechr | Off point: The state of humbleness (not humility) is heroism. | |
Aug 22nd, 2006 10:08 PM | ||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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2. What exactly do you think was Israel's goal? To be attacked? To have two of their soldiers kidnapped? From the very beginning, Israel asked that Lebanon control their own borders, and disarm Hezbollah. It won't happen, but it's what the UN asked Lebanon to do two years ago, and they're asking them again. Maybe they could, I dunno, do it? It would've spared over 1,000 lives. Israel's goal is to be secure. If this resolution fails, as it undoubtedly will once Hezbollah rests up and rearms, Israel will continue to defende herself. Your tone gives the implication that Israel had bigger plans. Would they feel more secure with a more democratic, Hezbollah free Lebanon? Sure, but they were attacked and they defended their country. "Mossad and Shin Bet weren't even able to penetrate the lower levels of a nationwde popular organization, let alone get an idea of what they were gonna be up against when they came over the border. (hint: tunnels and RPG 29s)" Um, and? Israel has never argued that Hezbollah is some underdog insurgency. That's a myth promoted by the Arab world, but the Israelis have always known better. Is it a surprise that a well funded, well trained, and well armed paramilitary unit managed to stay alive and put up a fight? I'm not exactly sure what your point is with your score card. Israel could've carpet bombed all of Lebanon, rather than using targeted bombings and infrastructure targets. That probably would've done away with Hezbollah, but it also would've killed a lot more people. Maybe Israel didn't "score" so high in your book, but that's what happens when one side plays by the rules and the other does not. |
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Aug 22nd, 2006 09:51 PM | ||
Abcdxxxx |
It's way too early to "tally the scores". I wouldn't cry for Halutz of Olmert or any of them. If the IDF took a defeat, it was really at the hands of it's own administration. I would agree, there really was no reason for them to underestimated how intertwined Iran would be in a offensive attack by Hezbollah. Iran's capabilities should be considered Hezbollah's capabilities. Many Israelis are naive, and do not realize that while they've spent 15 years learning peace songs, the Arabs have been breeding animals for the sole purpose of wiping Israel off the map. To that end, neither side achieved their goals - it was a squirmish. The benefit to Israel is knowing who they're fighting against, and weakening Iran's second line in any possible attack on Israel. If we play the numbers game (not the best way to judge these battles though) 500 Hezbollah casualties is a huge hit considering estimates of an army of 1000, and possibly 10,000 reservists. Israel's 150 casualties, out of a force between 10,000-30,000 were largely due to their own self defeating strategy, putting their lives in danger to avoid casualties - or just outright idiotic positioning. Israel's initial reserve numbers in the 300,000 range but if shit hits the fan, you'll see more then half the country suit up, and every veteran from Dr. Ruth on down, hopping on a plane, and grabbing their walkers and their uzis. Anyway, in that regard, Israel did okay. In reality, I don't think anyone feels they lost 150 men in exchange for accomplishing anything aside from maybe Lebanon putting it's army in the South again. Of course, if a small percentage of the entire Arab world just up and decides to rush the borders, Israel is dog meat. Like I've been saying, this has always been Israel vs. the Arab/Islamic world. |
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Aug 22nd, 2006 09:51 PM | ||
Preechr |
That's what happens when any possible rational perspective is obscured by naive notions of civilian casualties, torture and other non-issues. We are drunk on our own free lifestyle, blind to realities in other civilizations. Everything is a human interest story these days, and no one is to be blamed for anything that happens to them. The bigger guy is always guilty in any confrontation, be it Wal-mart or Israel, Exxon or the US. No one asks the Katrina victims or the Lebanon evacuees why the fuck they stuck around until far too late with no back up plan... We all just want to know about the hardships they endured at the hands of the bigger guy. Iraqi citizens are, just like everyone else in the news, victims. Whenever you see a victim, you look for their victimizer. That person or entity is, by default, the bigger guy. There is no opportunity for everyday Iraqis to be seen in a hopeful light, because they are in the news, and thus victims. The only bigger guy in this equation is us. |
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Aug 22nd, 2006 01:55 PM | ||
kahljorn |
Well.. ok.. counter-insurgency warfare? That seems the wrong term for a war that was fought over a border with missile strikes etc. I didn't think there was much actual fighting. I don't see how doing five to one is bad at all Please explain. If hezbollah was fighting with soldiers, would they use guerilla tactics(it seems like they used some guerilla tactics even with their missile strikes)? Just curious because doing five to one against gurillas is pretty good. Considering guerillas are typically small units designed to fight against larger units based on the premise that they should kill more bad guys than take casualties. In that line of thought their forces failed. Outside of that this war was ghey. More lives lost for no good reason. how is the war in iraq going bad? In the past occupations of cities would often be contested for years, and the "insurgency" may go on for years as well. Do you think that 3,000 years ago when an army would occupy a territory everybody who was living/fighting there would just shrug their shoulders and walk away? I've always been interested in why people think the war in iraq is going bad. |
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Aug 22nd, 2006 01:16 PM | ||
derrida |
So, can we tally up the score now? Does it bother everyone who was basically in favor of this that the bombing really didn't do much of anything? All the hand-wringing and all we get is an international peacekeeping force comprised of arab muslims whose home nations probably don't recognize the state of Israel. The IDF is saying they only killed about 500 Hezzbollah fighters in addition to however many civilian sympathizers/human shields/total dumbasses. (which are possibly going to cost Dan Halutz his job) The IDF is also reporting 118 casualties. Five to one isn't great for counter-insurgency warfare. We're at ten to one in Iraq and we all see how well that's going. Furthermore, Mossad and Shin Bet weren't even able to penetrate the lower levels of a nationwde popular organization, let alone get an idea of what they were gonna be up against when they came over the border. (hint: tunnels and RPG 29s) |
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Aug 21st, 2006 01:00 PM | ||
kahljorn | It's funny because I was actually thinking of the german social programs when I made that post. :O | |
Aug 21st, 2006 01:07 AM | ||
Abcdxxxx |
They studied how social programs were used in Germany, that's all. it should be pretty transparent by now. It's supposed to shame the international community who will no doubt still be sending aid without even a trace of accountability for the funds. This isn't meant to be aid so much as a reward for sustaining a loss. They're on salary, just another element of the propaganda machine. Like a bonus for storming the UN offices, and creating the illusion of an impromptu Nasrallah rally in the middle an Israeli bombing campaign that's supposed to be so devastating they can't evacuating to safety isn't an option. Not to mention the US dollars are probably counterfit. Can you buy a Coke-a-cola with Dhimmi dollars in Hezbollistan? |
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Aug 20th, 2006 11:59 PM | ||
kahljorn |
Yea it's just like gang members. Anyway, terrible horrible dictatorish non-providing rulers are pretty rare these days. in any political institution you have to "Give to the people" or do other things to make the people like you or at least keep them from revolting. Naturally there's a diplomatic foothold in helping people around you, it's almost as good as bribing someone This idea has been understood for a long time by rulers and pretty much anyone with a brain who realizes that there's breaking points. Not that I'm saying they necessarily don't love their community or people, but thinking politicians are selfless when they give is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Regardless of if you're providing for your people or not, though, that doesn't mean how you treat other people is nice or correct, or that you should be allowed ot commit evil because you do one or two nice things. HEY YOU BRUTALLY KILLED THIS GUY BUT I SAW YOU HELP THAT OLD LADY CROSS THE STREET SO YOURE FREE TO GO. |
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Aug 20th, 2006 11:27 PM | ||
KevinTheOmnivore |
Yeah, they must've gotten all that cash from all those Hezbollah bake sales and car wash fundraisers. This is the same argument that comes up with Hamas-- Sure they're terrorists and anti-semites, but they do so much in the community! Hell, Even Iran's president ran on a populist platform to improve the struggling Iranian economy. How's that working out? He spends most days blaming all of the Middle East's problems on Israel. |
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Aug 20th, 2006 10:56 PM | ||
kahljorn | I read that Hezbollah was helping to rebuild Lebanon by giving money to people who's homes had been destroyed. 12,000 US dollars worth. | |
Aug 20th, 2006 03:00 PM | ||
KevinTheOmnivore |
uh, that's ok. This is swell: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGK9KLVH41.DTL Quote:
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Aug 20th, 2006 10:04 AM | ||
Courage the Cowardly Dog |
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http://ussneverdock.blogspot.com/200...errorists.html http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...005961,00.html I withdraw my statement, I'm not Reuters. This number came from Israel so it is be biased. I am very embarrassed about this, i haven't posted at news websites in years and i forgot to always post a link and double check all sources. I read this at work int he morning and posted later at home and got mixed up. I'm very sorry, it won't happen again. |
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Aug 19th, 2006 11:22 AM | ||
Preechr | I had a guy try to explain it to me once by pulling a bunch of cans and bottles out my cabinets and fridge, showing me all the "secret" symbols on most of them that prove Jews run the world. | |
Aug 19th, 2006 11:20 AM | ||
Preechr |
Nono... you explained it pretty well. I'm sure a lot of people better understand why they should hate you now. ...and knowledge is power! |
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Aug 19th, 2006 04:11 AM | ||
Abcdxxxx |
Historically, I think it stems from those who were threatened by dual nationalism, and an adherance to a code of law beyond whatever the ruling powers dictated. Being the oldest, or first brings the type of animosity you don't hear much of from say, the Kurds, or Druze. Christian and Islamic scriptures have some issues built into their text by nature of adopting the Torah attempting to be a continuation. The rest comes from inferiority complexes and a jealousy for what Jews have accomplished. I lot of people don't like to hear that a minority group which makes up 0.25% of the world population, or less then 2.0% of the US population has been so accomplished and influential. That pisses people off. I'm sure people reading that right now are irked and want me to shut the fuck up just for mentioning it. The thing about asking why is, it doesn't really matter why. Asking why makes it sound like there's a reason. Really irrational bigotry doesn't have any reasoning. |
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Aug 18th, 2006 10:42 PM | ||
kahljorn |
I think someone asked this earlier but: WHY DO PEOpLE HATE JEWS? Is it that time old fear of them moving to our country stealing all of our jobs and taking over our country or something stemming from that? Is it just because they killed Jesus? PS how did this whole ISRAEL IS THE BAD GUY IN THE LEBANON WAR deal come about? Was that a media pathology? |
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Aug 18th, 2006 10:22 PM | ||
Abcdxxxx |
The peacekeepers were set to arrive Sunday - There are already reports of missile deliveries getting bombed by the IAF while crossing the Lebanese - Syrian border, tonight. What a sham. Quote:
Maylasia was the location the Iranian president made his declaration that "The world would be in the hands of Islam over the next few years", and Malaysia is also the nation with a former PM who declared Jews control the world. You have to be a Muslim to become a Malaysian national, disqualifying the Kafirs, Seihks, and Hindu's. They sound like the PERFECT choice to keep peace against the Zioist entity. Thank heavens we have the UN to advance this regional conflict into a World , and thank goodness the resolution to send 17,000 peacekeepers to Darfur is expected to be rejected. We wouldn't want to distract the world from the reals problem of our time: Zionist! |
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