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| Sep 26th, 2006 11:38 PM | ||
| Miss Modular |
Oh, Pooh! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060927/...ama_dead_again Bin Laden rumors again come to nothing By PAUL HAVEN, Associated Press Writer 40 minutes ago He was blown up in the caves of Tora Bora. He was on dialysis and dying of kidney disease. He was in the hands of Pakistani intelligence and about to be turned over to the United States. Rumors of Osama bin Laden's death or capture go back years, and they have always proved greatly exaggerated. The latest came Saturday, when a leaked French intelligence document citing a "usually reliable" source said the Saudi secret service was convinced the 52-year-old al-Qaida terror chief had died of typhoid last month in Pakistan. Officials from Riyadh to Paris to Washington rushed to insist they had nothing to substantiate the report, but not before news of it reached every corner of the globe and renewed the debate about why the world's largest dragnet has failed to get its man. "There has been a grave failure five years after 9/11 that the true leaders of the attacks are still free, and that they are still alive," said Rohan Gunaratna, head of terrorism research at Singapore's Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies. Gunaratna cited comments by bin Laden's no. 2, Ayman al-Zawahri, released on the fifth anniversary of the attacks, as evidence the French report was erroneous. "Ayman al-Zawahri issued a statement on Sept. 11 in which he specifically refers to Osama bin Laden being alive," Gunaratna says. "There is no reason for al-Zawahri to lie, since he wants to keep his credibility within the movement." A Pakistani counterterrorism official with intimate knowledge of the hunt also dismissed the French report, saying nothing was known about bin Laden's health or location. He spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the matter. The denial was echoed by a purported spokesman for the Taliban, the former Afghan regime that sheltered bin Laden after the 9/11 attacks. He also asked not to be named. The French report is not the first to allude to bin Laden suffering from a life-threatening illness. For years, intelligence services took seriously assessments that bin Laden might be suffering from kidney disease, and there were even reports he was forced to lug a dialysis machine from one mountain hideout to another. But in 2003, Amer Aziz, bin Laden's former doctor in Afghanistan, shot down the reports. He told The Associated Press he gave bin Laden a complete physical in 1999, and saw him again in November 2001 while he was on the run from U.S. forces, and found no sign of illness on either occasion. "If you are on dialysis, you have a special look. I didn't see any of that," Aziz told a reporter at his office in Lahore, Pakistan following his release from U.S. custody. The latest video featuring fresh footage of bin Laden came out in 2004, just before the U.S. presidential elections. In it he appeared healthy and relaxed, particularly for a man who was believed to be hiding in the rugged mountains between Pakistan and Afghanistan, or possibly in Afghanistan itself, in the remote, forested eastern province of Nuristan. The U.S. has conducted hundreds of search-and-seizure operations in the region but has been stonewalled by an increasingly unfriendly local population. A number of audiotapes of the terror leader have come out since the 2004 video, the latest in June, and a video that featured what appears to be older footage of bin Laden was released in September. The lack of film of the terror chief since 2004 has further muddied the waters. His decision to appear only on tape could be his way of heightening his mystique, or denying his pursuers visuals that might reveal his whereabouts. Or it could be an effort to hide his state of health. Paul Wilkinson of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland said the latest report of bin Laden's death could prompt his inner circle to advise him to deliver proof he is alive and healthy. He speculated that the French report may have been leaked to shake the branches and illicit just such a response from the terror leader, giving the intelligence community a chance to home in on "chatter" among terrorists. "It does create psychological pressure on the people and operatives" close to bin Laden, Wilkinson said. "There will be an expectation that he make some sort of appearance." The years of false hope and genuine close calls have contributed to the aura that bin Laden enjoys among his followers. They have also added to the frustration of those charged with bringing him to justice. In 1998, following the bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa, the U.S. launched 62 Tomahawk cruise missiles at two al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan. It was believed bin Laden was at one of them meeting with several of his top men, but left shortly before the missiles struck. Following the Sept. 11 attacks and the fall of the Taliban, Afghan militiamen fighting on behalf of the United States felt certain they had surrounded bin Laden at Tora Bora. Villagers reported seeing him hike into the mountains, and accounts of devastating airstrikes on the caves prompted rumors that bin Laden was dead. He wasn't. In the end, one of the Afghan warlords the United States was relying on for ground operations betrayed the others, Afghan fighters told the Associated Press, and bin Laden escaped into Pakistan. In 2003, Pakistani forces raided the village of Lattaka, near the border with Afghanistan, on intelligence that bin Laden might be hiding there. In 2004, U.S. Lt. Gen. David Barno said from Afghanistan that he expected to bring bin Laden to justice that year, and Pakistani intelligence officials described him as being boxed in, but he was never captured. Since then, the trail of the world's most wanted man has gone cold, but that hasn't stopped the rumors. An Iranian state-run radio station sparked worldwide headlines in February 2004 when it flashed an urgent story that bin Laden was in the hands of Pakistan's intelligence agency. The source of the report turned out to be a Pakistani journalist at a newspaper in the western city of Peshawar, who claimed to have been misquoted. A 2005 posting on an Islamic Web site that began with a headline saying bin Laden was dead also turned out to be false, but not before the news sent world stock markets briefly soaring. Reports that bin Laden has been nabbed were even used in a computer virus attack, when thousands of messages were posted on Internet chat sites in 2004 that began with the subject line "Osama bin Laden captured." When users clicked a link that was supposed to take them to photos, they triggered the virus. ___ Paul Haven has reported for The Associated Press from Afghanistan and Pakistan, and covers terrorism-related issues from his present base in Madrid, Spain. AP reporters Munir Ahmed and Kathy Gannon in Islamabad, Pakistan, and Chris Tomlinson in Nairobi, Kenya, contributed to this report. |
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| Sep 24th, 2006 10:41 AM | ||
| FartinMowler | Either way it keeps him from moving or his people will start talking and more of them will get caught. | |
| Sep 24th, 2006 10:07 AM | ||
| Courage the Cowardly Dog | The romans did it, besides, What proof if there that Kieth Richards is the Messiah? | |
| Sep 23rd, 2006 03:26 PM | ||
| the_dudefather |
"you cant kill the messiah" /C+C |
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| Sep 23rd, 2006 12:13 PM | ||
| mburbank |
It occurs to me I have never seen a photo of Kieth Richards and Bin Laden togther. Coincidence? |
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| Sep 23rd, 2006 11:51 AM | ||
| Abcdxxxx | Now they're saying the report originated from some rinky dink Saudi paper. I hope this isn't code to start some wave of attacks, along the lines of "if you hear Bin Ladens dead, and it's a Jewish holiday and/or Ramadan, press play on the dirty bombs". | |
| Sep 23rd, 2006 11:14 AM | ||
| Zhukov |
He looks pretty fucking gangsta there. I don't think any remains will be found any time soon. If al-qaeda had any brains they would scatter his ashes to the winds, so that the US could never, ever find any trace of him. |
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| Sep 23rd, 2006 10:31 AM | ||
| Courage the Cowardly Dog |
on december 7th 2001 kieth richards looked like shit too. I think french intelligence is an oxymoron so I'm waiting till we have 51% of a corpse befor i believe shit. |
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| Sep 23rd, 2006 09:29 AM | ||
| Geggy |
 This was him on december 7, 2001. Looks like shit, doesn't he? |
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| Sep 23rd, 2006 09:15 AM | ||
| Geggy |
Oh sweet jesus lol Don't expect the US to confirm this. They will simply deny and continue to use osama as their boogeyman. The earliest report of his death was way back in december 2001 by foxnews... Quote:
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| Sep 23rd, 2006 09:12 AM | ||
| Miss Modular |
Well, if it is true... Ding dong, the witch is dead witch old witch the wicked witch Ding dong, the wicked witch is dead! |
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| Sep 23rd, 2006 04:16 AM | ||
| ItalianStereotype |
bin Laden dead? source PARIS (Reuters) - A French regional newspaper quoted a French secret service report on Saturday as saying that Saudi Arabia is convinced that al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden died of typhoid in Pakistan last month. L'Est Republicain printed what it said was a copy of the report dated September 21 and said it was shown to President Jacques Chirac, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin and France's interior and defense ministers on the same day. "According to a usually reliable source, the Saudi services are now convinced that Osama bin Laden is dead," the document said. "The information gathered by the Saudis indicates that the head of al Qaeda was a victim while he was in Pakistan on August 23, 2006, of a very serious case of typhoid which led to a partial paralysis of his internal organs." The report, which was stamped with a "confidential defense" label and the initials of the French secret service, said Saudi Arabia first heard the information on September 4 and that it was waiting for more details before making an official announcement. Officials contacted by Reuters in Chirac's and Villepin's offices had no immediate comment. A senior official in Pakistan's interior ministry said: "We have no information about Osama's death." Saudi-born Bin Laden was based in Afghanistan until the Taliban government there was overthrown by U.S.-backed forces in late 2001. Since then, U.S. and Pakistani officials have regularly said they believe he is hiding somewhere on the rugged border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The last videotaped message released by bin Laden was in late 2004, but there have been several low quality audio tapes released this year. seems like more of the same, but suppose this is the truth. you don't get to be a martyr for dying of a disease brought about by sleeping in your own shit and wiping your ass with your left hand. |
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