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| May 28th, 2003 12:03 PM | ||
| kellychaos | Although I know NPR to be quite liberal, I couldn't help but think (after hearing the program) that the system would have to be damn near 100% accurate before I'd endorse the death penalty. Of course, in a case that personally involved my friends or loved ones and the case was overwhelmingly strong against the accused, I'd probably have a hard time upholding my ethics. I guess I'm taking one of those idealistic stances that looks good on paper but if something happened to me ... I really don't know. :/ | |
| May 27th, 2003 05:55 PM | ||
| punkgrrrlie10 |
well since the death penalty was brought back into play in 1977, there have been 100 exonerations based on DNA by the innocence project. http://www.aclu.org/DeathPenalty/Dea...?ID=10119&c=65 As far as faulty evidence is concerned. Witness testimony is one of the most volatile types of evidence there are and yet the most convincing for a jury besides DNA. And sometimes you have a co-conspirator who will testify against their cohort in crime in order to get leniency and they may very well be the only witness to the crime. Of course you can see a conflict of interest there for determining guilt or innocence and there are alot of restrictions on admitting character evidence in court. You can't really bring crimes in unless they were perjury to prove a persons lying. I'm not saying that the system doesn't convict more innocents than guilty. I do still truly believe in our judicial system but there are faults, and when the penalty is death, I don't think "mistakes" are acceptable. |
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| May 27th, 2003 12:55 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
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| May 27th, 2003 12:52 PM | ||
| VinceZeb | Shut your hose, clambake. The Grownups are talking. | |
| May 27th, 2003 12:33 PM | ||
| mburbank | Shut your hose, clambake. The Grownups are talking. | |
| May 27th, 2003 11:48 AM | ||
| VinceZeb |
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| May 27th, 2003 11:45 AM | ||
| mburbank |
And you can't make a human brain omlette without cracking skulls. But we're not making omlettes here, were incarcerating people. It all comes down to what you think prison is for. For people on death row you can pretty much discount rehabilitation as a goal, but I prefer the idea that a life sentence is primarily to keep society safe and a significant punishment in and of itself. If our goal is punishment and retribution, and we use cost effectiveness as an argument, we could torture people much more efficiently and much more cheaply. I think it is unhealthy for the soul of a country to actively invest in retribution. I also think it's dangerous. Once a practice becomes thinkable it is soon being done. Once it's done, the taboo's against applying it wherever it's concidered usefull grow weak. Then the deffinition of what's 'usefull' gets loose. |
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| May 27th, 2003 11:22 AM | ||
| AChimp |
In order to make an omlette, you gotta crack some eggs.  It's unfortunate that innocent people get sent to ANY prison, nevermind death row. But should we improve the conditions just because a few people are unlucky? What are the actual statistics on innocent vs. guilty being sent to prison? |
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| May 27th, 2003 02:13 AM | ||
| punkgrrrlie10 | not only that, but what about the ones that sit on death row under those conditions which are innocents? They deserve those conditions too right? | |
| May 26th, 2003 04:42 PM | ||
| ItalianStereotype | um...what does that have to do with anything? | |
| May 26th, 2003 04:07 PM | ||
| Metalislife |
I personally feel that the ones who commit very, very extreme crimes (violent rape, first degree murder, mass murder, child molestation, arson, etc.) should be put to death, while other criminals (for crimes such as drug dealing, armed robbery, car theft, spousal abuse, kidnapping, etc.) should sit in a jail cell and be subjected to the worst possible living conditions known to mankind. I do understand that there are mistakes made, in which a person will be falsely accused for a crime that he/she did not commit; that really pisses me off and shows that the justice system can be screwed up now and then. I am sure that there are many others who feel this way as well. However, what I stated above is not a valid enough argument to remove the death penalty completely in America. There are always going to be those cold-blooded criminals out there who have no remorse for their crimes and will never be rehabilitated for such actions. People of that nature need to take their punishment. |
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| May 24th, 2003 10:58 AM | ||
| Protoclown |
We shouldn't even be executing criminals in the first place. Fuck the death penalty. |
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| May 24th, 2003 09:38 AM | ||
| AChimp |
They should build a mock-up of the Klingon's Rura Pente penal colony in the Arctic.
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| May 24th, 2003 02:17 AM | ||
| Zero Signal |
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Almost a half of a million dollars just to keep them in jail when they are being executed anyway. meh |
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| May 23rd, 2003 02:20 PM | ||
| punkgrrrlie10 |
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| May 23rd, 2003 05:51 AM | ||
| FS | You can't pick and choose which laws you want to abide and which ones you don't. It takes the highest of civilization to allow your society's criminals the same rights as everyone else. The law system can't be about revenge, otherwise you might as well have the victims pronounce sentence - it must be about protecting the public and serving justice. Tormenting someone who's going to die anyway or exposing them to inhuman living conditions is cruel, and that bears no connection to what their crimes are. If you're going to do that, might as well put a bullet through their head now and get it over with. | |
| May 23rd, 2003 01:36 AM | ||
| ItalianStereotype |
don't worry kev, you either get used to it in the first couple of days or you pass out. and die. and shrivel. and rot. it really isn't that bad. hell, you might even get lucky and move here during one of our cool summers. |
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| May 23rd, 2003 01:11 AM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
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| May 23rd, 2003 01:09 AM | ||
| ItalianStereotype | 90 degrees? that's it? what the fuck are they expecting living in MISSISSIPPI? hell, most of the summer here in Texas is well above 100 degrees and people are still outside living their lives. | |
| May 23rd, 2003 12:31 AM | ||
| Zero Signal |
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 Let them smell piss and feces. Wallpaper their cells with photos of their victims. Give them constant reminders until the day of their death (whether at the end of a life sentence or in the chamber) of what they have done. They became animals the moment they chose to willfully take anothers life.
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| May 23rd, 2003 12:10 AM | ||
| punkgrrrlie10 | The average minimum time spent on death row is about 10 years and can go as long as 30. So imagine spending 10 years if you are on the "zap em' fast track" that they have in Texas and sitting in a room by yourself, with nothing to do but smell others feces. | |
| May 22nd, 2003 10:44 PM | ||
| AChimp | Yeah, but they're gonna be executed eventually. I mean, how many death row inmates are actually released and set free where they can run amok in society again? Most of the time sentences are reduced to life in prison, and in the cases where the person is innocent, they are given millions of dollars. | |
| May 22nd, 2003 10:44 PM | ||
| Jeanette X |
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| May 22nd, 2003 10:25 PM | ||
| punkgrrrlie10 | Imagine sitting in a room, by yourself. Just sitting there. Smelling crap and urine with shitty food....just sitting there. I would go crazy in solitary confinement which is usually how death row prisoners are kept. | |
| May 22nd, 2003 09:21 PM | ||
| Jeanette X | I can see how such conditions would make anyone miserable and potentially more unstable, but "driven insane?" | |
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