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Mar 16th, 2011 12:24 AM
Grislygus
Mar 5th, 2010 01:56 AM
bigtimecow becoming a better artist is just like becoming better at any skill, because all art involves thinking and training in one form or another. yes, anyone and everyone is an artist in the sense that we all think and have our own conventions for conveying thoughts

but expressionism is fucking dead. evolve dammit
Mar 4th, 2010 11:45 PM
Fathom Zero
Mar 4th, 2010 10:24 PM
Sam My art has been criticized as "too shocking" and "too avant-garde" but it doesn't stop me.
Mar 4th, 2010 10:16 PM
The Leader Well, there could be a better. If you disagree with someone about something then that's it because it's your work, but maybe you can find new ideas that you actually agree with by listening to criticism. I'm thinking of "better" in terms of one's growth as an artist, not necessarily in regards to what most people like.

I also think that we should all aspire to be a little more Grislygus.
Mar 4th, 2010 08:33 PM
Kitsa Dammit, what I'm trying to say is that there is no "better". You just move from phase to phase in whatever it is you're doing.

It's like saying you could be a little more Grislygus.
Mar 4th, 2010 11:33 AM
The Leader
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Glad you got that.
Oh, the joke was intentional? Forgive me, I'm sure that you can understand my mistake though, considering that you just made a point that other's opinion's should be disregarded, backed up that idea with an example which, evidently, is completely unrelated and topped it off with a trite expression. I just wasn't aware that I was writing to someone who understood sarcasm.

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Nothing I say matters to anyone but me, and even that's pretty sketchy these days.
What you say matters to me, Kitsa.
Mar 4th, 2010 11:01 AM
Grislygus Oh man

The point at which you actually stop getting better is when you think that you don't need to get any better.




















That was a clumsy-ass sentence right there
Mar 3rd, 2010 11:12 PM
Kitsa I think I'm saying what I mean wrong and at the moment I'm too tired to try and rearrange it.

I'm not saying that an individual's art is above criticism. I'm saying that art is its own ephemeral thing, and that "getting better" does not apply. You made what you made. I mean, there's "getting better" at drawing, but usually you hear that out of people who think the objective is photorealism. Maybe someone draws like Napoleon Dynamite, but the message gets across.

Or maybe it's just human for people to evaluate "progress" in others in terms of the others becoming more like themselves. Because I have seen that a lot, in nearly every situation.

Whatever, fuck it, riff on this and go however you want to go. Nothing I say matters to anyone but me, and even that's pretty sketchy these days.
Mar 3rd, 2010 10:29 PM
Pentegarn Glad you got that.
Mar 3rd, 2010 10:28 PM
The Leader
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I was making a point about opinions and how they should be treated as meaningless

I don't know why you think I am a self absorbed ass though. For that matter I don't care either.
Mar 3rd, 2010 10:26 PM
Pentegarn
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Shakespeare's work did cater to the lowest common denominator. The reason it became respected is because he was the first to successfully break away from the traditional stories, or rather the settings, found in plays of the time. Most people, like you apparently, don't realize this because they can't pick up on all the double entendres about pussy as English has changed so much since William's time. It just sounds so fancy and smart. :o
That is all correct. For the record though, I did know of the double entendres. I was making a point about opinions and how they should be treated as meaningless

I don't know why you think I am a self absorbed ass though. For that matter I don't care either.
Mar 3rd, 2010 08:04 PM
King Hadas I agree with Grislygus, criticism is much better than being completely ignored. Sometimes criticism is all people are comfortable offering.

Kitsa, these people that criticized your work probably enjoyed it and wanted to reach out to you some way but felt too self-conscious for a simple "I liked it," so instead they offered some arbitrary criticism. When you fire back with "wow! thanks a lot bozo," their hearts break and they never reach out to anyone ever again. And then they die all alone, never being touched and never touching anyone. Like a rock, like an island
Mar 3rd, 2010 07:12 PM
Tadao On the subject of the example of : "Blue rice should not be eaten"

That dude is a stupid dumb face.
Mar 3rd, 2010 06:49 PM
bigtimecow
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Originally Posted by Kitsa
3) Good thing I didn't do this for you, then, huh?
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Originally Posted by Kitsa
That's just my own personal thing, and probably why I end up so confused and pissed off when someone gets hold of something I never submitted for their approval and acts like that's what I did. That's the criticism I have a problem with. If it's in a format where I'm putting my stuff out there for review, sure, say whatever the hell you want.
see this is just my problem with some of the art world in general. people think that art is this absolutely 100% personal thing and usually stand by the argument "if i made it and i like it how it is, then that's it." this begs the question, then why put it in a gallery? if you like it, why do you care if someone else does? and if you care about other people caring, then you kind of need to care about other people not caring, and why.

but seriously, art is about community thought and learning and understanding. all artists are taking thoughts and conventions of the human eye, mind, ear, etc. and turning them into something. we're all human and we all have the ability to make anything that anyone else can. so i think any criticism should be taken with that in mind. if someone is being an ass for ass-sake then that's dumb (but that goes with anything, right?)

i want criticism on anything i make, because i make art with the intent of it being publicly accessible in some form. i want to have conversations with people about the subjects i'm working with (whether it be something highly conceptual or just the mannerisms of drawing) and be able to heighten my understanding of the world through their thoughts

WE'RE AAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL IN THIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSS TOGETHERRRRRRRRRR
Mar 3rd, 2010 02:06 PM
The Leader I don't know about the man, only the legend.
Mar 3rd, 2010 01:33 PM
Sacks Wasn't Shakespeare a big fat thief too?
Mar 3rd, 2010 12:38 PM
The Leader Also, you're a self-absorbed ass.
Mar 3rd, 2010 12:37 PM
The Leader Shakespeare's work did cater to the lowest common denominator. The reason it became respected is because he was the first to successfully break away from the traditional stories, or rather the settings, found in plays of the time. Most people, like you apparently, don't realize this because they can't pick up on all the double entendres about pussy as English has changed so much since William's time. It just sounds so fancy and smart. :o
Mar 3rd, 2010 08:46 AM
Pentegarn I take opinions of all critics with a grain of salt because....

In Shakespeare's time, his work was considered by critics to be lowest common denominator tripe that would only appeal to the low class. After I learned that, I decided the old saying is true, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.
Mar 2nd, 2010 06:15 PM
Kitsa the self-absorbed asses theory sounds good (who doesn't love to hate a self-absorbed ass?), but the way I feel about my stuff, I do what I do and it is what it is and there it is, like it or lump it.

That's just my own personal thing, and probably why I end up so confused and pissed off when someone gets hold of something I never submitted for their approval and acts like that's what I did. That's the criticism I have a problem with. If it's in a format where I'm putting my stuff out there for review, sure, say whatever the hell you want.
Mar 2nd, 2010 06:04 PM
Sacks
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I think that people who can't take criticism are self-absorbed asses who don't care if they can improve their work or not because doing so would require effort.

If I receive criticism that I don't agree with, I either discuss the disagreement in the effort to learn something or, if they're idiots, I just ignore them.
Mar 2nd, 2010 05:45 PM
Fathom Zero I always try to do something different and I move around between styles a lot because I'm the most harsh critic. I like it when people think stuff is cool, but if there's no improvements to make that I can see, I gotta rely on someone else's opinion.

Sometimes I need criticism.
Mar 2nd, 2010 05:19 PM
Tadao fin
Mar 2nd, 2010 03:41 PM
executioneer i'll take criticism under consideration as long as it's from someone who understands what the fuck they're talking about
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