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| Jun 30th, 2004 05:15 PM | ||
| Anonymous | Which makes it ok! | |
| Jun 30th, 2004 04:47 PM | ||
| Neurotic monkey | It's a moot point. This shit happens all the time in american prisons. | |
| Jun 24th, 2004 11:45 AM | ||
| Anonymous | USA! USA! USA! | |
| Jun 24th, 2004 11:26 AM | ||
| mburbank |
U.S. Soldiers to Be Charged in Iraqi General's Death DENVER (Reuters) - The U.S. Army plans to file charges against two military intelligence officers in the suffocation death of an Iraqi general during questioning in Iraq in November, The Denver Post reported on Thursday. The newspaper said negligent homicide and manslaughter charges were being brought against two warrant officers over the death of Iraqi Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush, commander of Saddam Hussein's air forces. Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer, based at Fort Carson, Colorado and a member of the 66th Military Intelligence Group, is accused of suffocating the general in a sleeping bag while sitting on his chest and covering his mouth, according to Pentagon documents obtained by the newspaper. The other soldier, Chief Warrant Officer Jeff Williams, was involved in the interrogation at a U.S. military facility at Qaim, Iraq, the newspaper said. The general's death was among more than 30 prisoner deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan that the Pentagon said last month it was investigating. The treatment of prisoners came under scrutiny after photographs of physical and sexual abuse of Iraqi inmates at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad emerged earlier this year. The general had undergone more than two weeks of daily interrogations while in U.S. custody, the newspaper said. The U.S. military said at the time that he apparently died of natural causes after complaining that "he didn't feel well and subsequently lost consciousness." But an autopsy released by the Pentagon in May said Mowhoush died of asphyxia due to smothering and chest compression. A spokesman at Fort Carson said he had no comment. |
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| Jun 3rd, 2004 02:20 PM | ||
| mburbank |
Two Marines Plead Guilty to Iraqi Abuse By MARTHA RAFFAELE, Associated Press Writer HARRISBURG, Pa. - Two 19-year-old Marines pleaded guilty to giving electric shocks to an Iraqi prisoner they were guarding in early April, months after the Abu Ghraib prison abuse, military officials said. Pfc. Andrew J. Sting and Pfc. Jeremiah J. Trefney entered their pleas at a May 14 court-martial in Iraq , according to a statement by the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in Iraq. Lt. Nathan Braden, a Marine spokesman at Camp Pendleton, Calif., released the statement Thursday. Sting and Trefney were infantrymen with 2nd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, which is stationed at Camp Lejeune, N.C., and attached to the 1st Marine Division based at Pendleton. According to the military statement, the pair and two other Marines wanted to discipline the detainee for throwing trash outside his cell and speaking loudly at the Al Mahmudiya prison, a temporary holding facility south of Baghdad. The Marines attached wires to a power convertor, which delivered 110 volts of electricity to the detainee as he returned from the bathroom, the statement said. |
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| May 29th, 2004 02:06 PM | ||
| mesobe |
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that the fuck does that mean anyways? thats like saying "the ice is melting" I cant believe that people who are in control of the whole world can say retarded shit like that. |
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| May 29th, 2004 10:49 AM | ||
| mburbank |
AP: Intelligence Agents Accused in Abuse By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Several U.S. guards allege they witnessed military intelligence operatives encouraging the abuse of Iraqi prison inmates at four prisons other than Abu Ghraib, investigative documents show. Â* Court transcripts and Army investigator interviews provide the broadest view of evidence that abuses, from forcing inmates to stand in hoods in 120-degree heat to punching them, occurred at a Marine detention camp and three Army prison sites in Iraq (news - web sites) besides Abu Ghraib. That is the prison outside Baghdad that was the site of widely published and televised photographs of abuse of Iraqi detainees by Army troops. Testimony about tactics used at a Marine prisoner of war camp near Nasiriyah also raises the question whether coercive techniques were standard procedure for military intelligence units in different service branches and throughout Iraq. At the Marines' Camp Whitehorse, the guards were told to keep enemy prisoners of war — EPWs, in military jargon — standing for 50 minutes each hour for up to 10 hours. They would then be interrogated by "human exploitation teams," or HETs, comprising intelligence specialists. "The 50/10 technique was used to break down the EPWs and make it easier for the HET member to get information from them," Marine Cpl. Otis Antoine, a guard at Camp Whitehorse, testified at a military court hearing in February. U.S. military officials say American troops in Iraq are required to follow the Geneva Conventions on POWs for all detainees in Iraq. Those conventions prohibit "physical or moral coercion" or cruel treatment. The Army's intelligence chief told a Senate panel this month that intelligence soldiers are trained to follow Geneva Convention rules strictly. "Our training manuals specifically prohibit the abuse of detainees, and we ensure all of our soldiers trained as interrogators receive this training," Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander told the Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites). The Marine Corps judge hearing the Camp Whitehorse case wrote that forcing hooded, handcuffed prisoners to stand for 50 minutes every hour in the 120-degree desert could be a Geneva Convention violation. Col. William V. Gallo wrote that such actions "could easily form the basis of a law of war violation if committed by an enemy combatant." Two Marines face charges in the June 2003 death of Nagem Sadoon Hatab at Camp Whitehorse, although no one is charged with killing him. Military records say Hatab was asphyxiated when a Marine guard grabbed his throat in an attempt to move him, accidentally breaking a bone that cut off his air supply. Another Marine is charged with kicking Hatab in the chest in the hours before his death. Army Maj. Gen. George Fay is finishing an investigation into military intelligence management and practices at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere in Iraq. Alexander and other top military intelligence officials say they never gave orders that would have encouraged abuses. "If we have a problem, if it is an intel oversight problem, if it is an MP (military police) problem, or if it's a leadership problem, we have to get to the bottom of this," Alexander told the Senate panel. Most of the seven enlisted soldiers charged in the Abu Ghraib abuses say they were encouraged to "soften up" prisoners for interrogators through humiliation and beatings. Several witnesses also report seeing military intelligence operatives hit Abu Ghraib prisoners, strip them naked and order them to be kept awake for long periods. Other accusations against military intelligence troops include: _Stuffing an Iraqi general into a sleeping bag, sitting on his chest and covering his mouth during an interrogation at a prison camp at Qaim, near the border with Syria. The general died during that interrogation, although he also had been questioned by CIA operatives in the days before his death. _Choking, beating and pulling the hair of detainees at an Army prison camp near Samarra, north of Baghdad. Â* _Hitting prisoners and putting them in painful positions for hours at Camp Cropper, a prison at Baghdad International Airport for prominent former Iraqi officials. Military officials say they're investigating all of those incidents. One focus of the incident at Qaim is Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshover, an interrogator with the Army's 66th Military Intelligence Group. Welshover told The Associated Press on Friday: "I am not at liberty to discuss any of the details." Welshover was part of a two-person interrogation team that questioned former Iraqi Air Force Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush, 57. Military autopsy records say Mowhoush was asphyxiated by chest compression and smothering. Army officials say members of a California Army National Guard military intelligence unit are accused of abusing prisoners at a camp near Samarra, north of Baghdad. The New York Times has reported those accusations include pulling prisoners' hair, beating them and choking them to force them to give information. The Red Cross complained to the military in July that Camp Cropper inmates had been kept in painful "stress positions" for up to four hours and had been struck by military intelligence soldiers. One of the military intelligence soldiers interviewed in the Abu Ghraib probe claimed some prisoners were beaten before they arrived at Camp Cropper. Cpl. Robert Bruttomesso of the 325th Military Intelligence Battalion told Army investigators he reported that abuse to his chain of command. The report of his interview, obtained by The Associated Press, does not include details on what action, if any, Bruttomesso's commanders took. |
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| May 26th, 2004 04:03 PM | ||
| kellychaos | The scandal is widening while the noose is tightening. An inverse relationship? | |
| May 26th, 2004 01:15 PM | ||
| mburbank |
Huh. I didn't know bad apples could come in patterns or be wide spread. I thought the whole thing was there were just a few bad apples in a bunch. As recently as a month ago, we were still interrogating prisoners in ways which lead to them dieing from blunt force trauma. The only way to get this over with is to put it all on the table now. Every day this drags on makes things worse. Report: U.S. Army Survey Cites Wider Prisoner Abuse WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. Army synopsis of deaths and mistreatment involving prisoners in American custody in Iraq and Afghanistan shows a pattern of abuse involving more military units than previously known, The New York Times reported on Wednesday. The summary, dated May 5, was prepared by the Criminal Investigation Command at the request of Army officials, according to the newspaper. It outlines the status of investigations into 36 cases, including the continuing probe into the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison on the outskirts of Baghdad, the paper said. The Iraq cases date back to April 2003, the Times reported. In an incident reported to have taken place last month, a prisoner detained by Navy commandos died in a suspected case of homicide blamed on "blunt force trauma to the torso and positional asphyxia," the paper said. The U.S. forces' treatment of prisoners has come under scrutiny because of revelations about the physical and sexual abuse of Iraqi inmates at the Abu Ghraib prison. Seven U.S. soldiers have been charged with abusing Iraqi prisoners there. In a speech on Tuesday, President Bush said the prison "became a symbol of disgraceful conduct by a few American troops who dishonored our country and disregarded our values," and said the notorious prison would be demolished as a "symbol of Iraq's new beginning." One of the oldest cases listed in the May 5 document involves the death of a prisoner in Afghanistan in December 2002, the paper said. The document said enlisted personnel from a military intelligence unit at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and an Army Reserve military-police unit from Ohio are thought to have been "involved at various times in assaulting and mistreating the detainee," according to the Times. Members of the 223rd Military Intelligence Battalion, which is part of the California National Guard, were accused of abusing Iraqi detainees last spring in Samarra, north of Baghdad, the Times reported. The Army summary said the unidentified enlisted personnel "forced into asphyxiations numerous detainees in an attempt to obtain information" over a 10-week period, according to the paper |
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| May 19th, 2004 01:23 PM | ||
| Cosmo Electrolux | "I'm too busy to be brought up on charges. If you put me in prison, the terrorists win" | |
| May 19th, 2004 01:02 PM | ||
| mburbank |
"The defense secretary also met with 12 senators over breakfast Tuesday morning and, sources said, he criticized the hearings, saying they were becoming a distraction to the war effort in Iraq. "He did express frustration that, at some point, additional hearings are counterproductive in terms of the optimal use of his time and the time of the combatant commanders in fighting and winning the war on terror," said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas." -Ap wire Seriously? These hearings aren't an optimal use of his time? Well, since his testimony is clearly called for, maybe he should resign. |
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| May 19th, 2004 11:11 AM | ||
| Cosmo Electrolux | wow...I would LOVE to see Rummy and Shrub in a war crime tribunal.... | |
| May 19th, 2004 10:43 AM | ||
| Mockery | http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/ma...tort-m18.shtml | |
| May 19th, 2004 10:37 AM | ||
| mburbank |
If you don't feel like reading this whole article, the main points are: 1.) More cases under investigation than previously acknowledged 2.) Another disk of photos found 3.) A red cross report sent down the chin of command and never followed up on. Army General Says U.S. Has 75 Prison Abuse Cases By Alan Elsner Reuters WASHINGTON - The U.S. military has investigated 75 cases of abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan since late 2002, suggesting that mistreatment was more widespread than previously acknowledged, the head of the U.S. Central Command said on Wednesday. Army Gen. John Abizaid, who is responsible for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, told the Senate Armed Services Committee there were systemic problems at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, where U.S. personnel took photographs of detainees being abused and sexually humiliated that have shocked and angered Americans and fueled anti-American anger overseas. "The total number of detainee abuse cases that have been investigated since I believe the beginning of the conflict in Afghanistan is around 75," Abizaid told the committee. He said the army was still investigating several homicides in Afghanistan that went as far back as December 2002 and which needed to be resolved quickly. "Abuse has happened in Afghanistan, it's happened in Iraq, it's happened at various places. I think the question before us: is there a systemic abuse problem with regard to interrogation that exists in the Central Command area of operations," Abizaid said. He promised to follow the trail of evidence wherever it led and hold accountable those who are responsible Committee Chairman John Warner told the hearing the Defense Department has located another disc of images related to abuses of Iraqi detainees. "I've just been informed ... that another disc of pictures has been located, and I'll soon advise the committee on the conditions under which and the timing they can be viewed," the Virginia Republican said. Also testifying were Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of ground forces in Iraq, and Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, deputy commander for detainee operations in Iraq. Sanchez said that his order putting an intelligence officer in tactical control of the notorious Abu Ghraib prison, previously used as a torture center under former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, was for security purposes. It did not place military police at the jail under the control of intelligence officials. He also said he had issued several directives in 2003 and 2004 making it clear prisoners were to be treated in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and requiring that "all interrogations be conducted in a lawful and humane manner, with command oversight." FACE PUBLIC OPINION Some of the military police have charged that they were ordered to help "soften up" prisoners for interrogation. Warner said it was time for top U.S. military leaders to face American and world public opinion. Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, asked about warnings from the International Committee of the Red Cross that Iraqi prisoners were being abused that surfaced as early as May 2003, months before the U.S. military launched its first investigation. Abizaid said he was aware of the report and sent it for comments to a lower-ranking officer but never received a written reply. He acknowledged that this suggested there was a problem in the way the U.S. military handled Red Cross complaints. |
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| May 17th, 2004 04:25 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
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| May 15th, 2004 09:04 PM | ||
| Perndog |
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I'm done too, though. |
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| May 15th, 2004 05:58 PM | ||
| mburbank | I agree. I'm done. | |
| May 15th, 2004 04:10 PM | ||
| Anonymouse |
This is the stupidest war we have ever fought. "Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire |
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| May 15th, 2004 02:21 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
Being informed has it's merits. Anyway you must have really struggled through theory class. You're knee jerk reaction is to assume I was writing off the tortures as hazing the way Rush, and many Conservatives have, because well, if you use the same language, you must be the same stripe, even if you're saying something totally different. If we're talking arrogance, h'bout your "with us or against us" attitude ? Why, I'd say it's rather GW of you. Now that we've exhuasted the topic of me and my personality defects (because after all kids, this is a message board, and I'm not prone to spending time at your Mocker jamborees, or giving you love advice in the other forums) why don't we discuss the Iraqi's again? You know, not to be informative or nothing but.... 4,000 prisoners died in Abu Ghraib prison in 1984 alone. 122 political prisoners were killed in one month of 2000. Around 130 women were beheaded between June and April of 2001. Friday prayer for Sh'ites was illegal, and the majority of torture victims were from the religious party. So Burbank.... what was that bullshit you were saying at the beginning of this post about people caring, the writing of books, and Amnesty International? Unlike Conservatives, I'm not saying Saddam's actions excuse our own. I don't want to see the US acting in even the slightest resemblance of Saddam's torture houses, (they should be closed and destroyed, not preserved like Warsaw) but I do think you need a wake up call if you're going to act like you give a shit, because this moral equivalency of yours comes off as souless pandering. |
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| May 15th, 2004 11:48 AM | ||
| mesobe | man, it reallly, really sucks to be american right now. I feel for all of you | |
| May 15th, 2004 11:07 AM | ||
| mburbank |
"You didn't simply disagree, you acted as if you couldn't fathom the connection or the signifigance." Wrong. I can't fathom who someone who wasn't a dick would find the connection significant in any way shape or form. It's shallow, uninformative, callow and useless. I think it shows a striking lack of understanding. Your insistence that my opinion HAS to stem from not getting you is arrogant and you constantly confuse familiarity with piles of details with intelligence. |
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| May 15th, 2004 03:21 AM | ||
| Abcdxxxx | Stop worrying about my popularity, and go back to pretending you care about the Iraqi's. | |
| May 14th, 2004 09:29 PM | ||
| Perndog |
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If you've acknowledged other factors in the issue, why don't you talk about them a little instead of driving your tired hazing idea further into the ground? Oh, and people don't use descriptives to think. We use them to describe. Learn some grammar and people will like you better. |
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| May 14th, 2004 08:15 PM | ||
| punkgrrrlie10 | you're a dumb ass. | |
| May 14th, 2004 07:00 PM | ||
| mesobe |
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Bill Waterson would be offended that you perverted one of his creations. |
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