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| Aug 15th, 2008 03:51 PM | ||
| McClain | Shit, I be lookin' good. | |
| Aug 15th, 2008 09:50 AM | ||
| Kitsa | You'll turn me bulimic yet, McClain. | |
| Aug 15th, 2008 09:49 AM | ||
| McClain |
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| Aug 15th, 2008 03:23 AM | ||
| Tadao | of course | |
| Aug 15th, 2008 03:22 AM | ||
| liquidstatik | I-Mockery Mens Mudwrestling. For charity, of course. | |
| Aug 14th, 2008 02:19 PM | ||
| Tadao | I think McClain and I need to wrestle over this. | |
| Aug 14th, 2008 02:03 PM | ||
| McClain |
The Pink Ribbon itself is faultless. It's corporations that use it as a marketing tool for publicity that should be under scrutiny. Perhaps the ACS should be a bit less liberal to how their branding is being strewn about and cheapened. Then after restricing the use of the logo do a comparitive study to see how many "sponsors" they acquire in following years. I'd be willing to be there would be a dropoff. I'm sure they're faced with the problem of being commercial whores for the sake of medical advancement or being purists and watch their funding shrink. WWJD if he had breast cancer? And more importantly, WWJD with his own breasts? Forsake them? Fondle them? Turn breast milk in to wine? Motorboat the disciples? |
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| Aug 13th, 2008 05:12 PM | ||
| Kitsa |
I don't think so. I think people can disagree on things and live with that. As far as my mom (whose 5th cancer incident was DCIS) and I are concerned, pink ribbons feel exploitative. I've never not had cancer, I was born with it, so I've had quite a while to think about this and come to terms with my position. Part of it is just my personal belief that the most honest acts of charity are anonymous, and I don't expect others to agree with that. I've spent large chunks of my life in hospitals and have dealt with many insincere acts of charity. I've come to resent the use of sick people, especially cancer patients, as tools to show off a person/organization's "goodness", to acquire a financial break, or to sell a product. You know those pathetic-looking sick kids on billboards? I used to be one. It seasoned my views. When you're flat in bed on Christmas, and x celebrity comes in with a camera crew to be filmed being nice to you, it rankles a bit. It's not for you, it's for them. To me and many others, the ribbons are just an extension of the same trend. I think that the use of cancer ribbons, pink ones especially, is growing in popularity as a way to take advantage of people's good intentions. I think many companies are deliberately misleading people about the amount of money actually donated, and many products "support" breast cancer research or feature random pink ribbons on the packaging without actually pledging to donate anything at all. To me, they're just capitalizing on the trend, hoping that a consumer will feel good about picking their item over a competitor's. I'm sorry you think the website is ridiculous, and I do understand how widespread the use of parabens and phthalates is. I also understand that chemicals whose use is widespread can still be dangerous in the proper doses. My cancers, as are the majority of cancers in my immediate family, are due to an industrial pollutant. They've figured that one out. Yet this very chemical can be found in food packaging, all sorts of clothing, cooking utensils and many, many household items. You actually have to go way out of your way to avoid it. It's still out there and still being used because it's all PR when you get to the corporate level and the matter's still being duked out in the courts. In the meantime, they can use the chemical all they want. There are lots and lots and lots of people...I would say the majority of cancer patients...who get their cancer and have no idea why. I think innocent exposure to chemical carcinogens is behind a lot of that, and we won't know how harmful they are for years. I think that a lot of parabens especially are going to end up in that category. I think that most cancers need a genetic predisposition to give them the go-ahead, and chemical exposure is just going to equal cancer in certain people. Methylparaben is going to harm some people and not others, that's just the way our bodies are. I don't consider a lot of the pink ribbon use charitable. I think they're undermining the effect of those organizations that are trying to do good, by cheapening cancer charity and turning it into another mindless trendy sales pitch in a culture that has an increasingly "shopper" mentality. I'm sorry about your mom. My whole family has been dealing with cancer for years and I hate it, there's nothing fair about it. Thank you for having the balls to disagree with me publicly and not be wishy-washy about a sensitive topic the way a lot of people would. And if you feel indignant and righteous, that's good...it makes you feel better about yourself. I feel the way I feel and *shrug*. |
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| Aug 13th, 2008 05:09 PM | ||
| Tadao | of course | |
| Aug 13th, 2008 04:50 PM | ||
| Fathom Zero | I-Mockery Ladies Mudwrestling. For charity, of course. | |
| Aug 13th, 2008 04:42 PM | ||
| Tadao | Sounds like you two need to wrestle over this. | |
| Aug 13th, 2008 03:31 PM | ||
| glowbelly |
i'll never understand why it's bad to donate any amount of money to decent causes. i don't care about the means or if it's attached to a product only to make that company more money. if they are doing what they say they are and donating some proceeds, what's the big whoop? ultimately you have the decision to support the product or not. and, i'm sorry kitsa, but that website you linked to is ridiculous. you do realize that parabens and phthalates ARE IN ALMOST EVERYTHING, right? i'm sorry that you're sick. i lost my mom to breast cancer when i was 18. i just think all this in-fighting between charity groups is silliness. why not all work together to acheive the same goal? and now i'm going to go hide because i feel a tidal wave of grrr coming on. |
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| Aug 8th, 2008 08:44 PM | ||
| Kitsa |
I like them both. Thanks! |
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| Aug 8th, 2008 07:54 PM | ||
| Rez |
dammit MM why you have to beat me all the time
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| Aug 8th, 2008 07:52 PM | ||
| Tadao | The black looks like death to me, the red just looks like a straight up no. | |
| Aug 8th, 2008 07:49 PM | ||
| MetalMilitia |
 
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| Aug 8th, 2008 07:40 PM | ||
| Rez |
yeah that pink ribbon shit is the worst. makes people think altruism and "awareness" can come from shopping for more fucking yogurt and anything else a company will latch onto to not seem like the opportunistic shits they are. ps: i dont know how to reduce shit 
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| Aug 8th, 2008 07:39 PM | ||
| Kitsa | That's excellent. I pictured it in black but red works. Thank you! | |
| Aug 8th, 2008 07:37 PM | ||
| MetalMilitia |
Something like this? (if you're using IE6 or earlier it will appear to have a grey-ish background but that's just because IE6 doesn't support PNG transparencies. If you printed it it should have no background)  (click for full-size) ADDED: Hmm, the ribbon doesn't look like it's in the centre. I'll try and fix it. ADDED:  ADDED: P.S. I do not have permission to use that ribbon image and as such I cannot give you permission either. Shouldn't matter though if you're just going to put it on a couple of t-shirts. :/ |
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| Aug 8th, 2008 07:19 PM | ||
| Kitsa | Anti pink ribbon. Anti cancer ribbon. Some of us cancer patients find it insulting, because it's being turned into a marketing gimmick (see thinkbeforeyoupink.org). They do the "some of the proceeds will be donated" thing, and it turns out to be a tiny token fraction of a percent. | |
| Aug 8th, 2008 07:03 PM | ||
| MetalMilitia |
You're anti ribbons? :/ What kind of ribbon, anyway? |
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| Aug 8th, 2008 06:42 PM | ||
| Kitsa |
I am sure someone here is better at photochop than me Is there anyone who can whip up a relatively simple logo with an anti sign over a pink ribbon, and then give me permission to use it for a couple of custom t-shirts (not profit or mass-produced)? Needs to have no background. I know that it must be really easy but for some reason I never got the hang of layers, some sort of mental block or something, some very selective retardation. I'm working on it. Thanks 
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