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| Jan 30th, 2004 08:46 AM | |||
| mburbank | Well at least let whoever owns you poke a few holes in the lid. | ||
| Jan 29th, 2004 04:47 PM | |||
| The One and Only... | Why should I want to live outside my box? It hurts out there. | ||
| Jan 29th, 2004 03:33 PM | |||
| Perndog | Max is having fun, but Brandon's just wasting his time. Give up, dude. | ||
| Jan 29th, 2004 01:13 PM | |||
| Brandon |
Lemme guess, OAO: You were one of those uptight, nerdy, fat kids who got picked on a lot in school, right? And then you thought that a perfect way to alleviate the crushing pain of it all was to intellectualize everything. Then you slipped into pathological narcissism to project an invincible, phony image and maybe even take revenge on those who slighted you. You're even more like Vinth than people realize. You don't realize how utterly pathetic and absurd you sound because you've lost any real connection with the outside world. I know you enjoy "pissing people off" because that, in a way, validates your idea that you're somebody who actually matters to people. But guess what? You're not infuriating, you're annoying. You're a pesky little fly. People here would actually have to consider you an equal to be pissed at you. Instead, you're just a perfect object of ridicule. Loser. |
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| Jan 29th, 2004 09:34 AM | |||
| mburbank |
This? This is nothing. Some of the other stuff I enjoy you really ought to worry about. BUT THAT'S NOBODIES DAMN BUSINESS! |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 08:44 PM | |||
| Perndog | I'm worried about you, Max. You enjoy this too much. | ||
| Jan 28th, 2004 03:14 PM | |||
| mburbank | Now do you mean that or are you just being all sardonic and wordly in the way that only a pretend boy genius with amazing theoretical powers can be. I mean, you can't be to careful. It's just wheels within wheels for a complicated guy like you. Did I mention to you I met a guy with cancer the other day? I swear to God, it's exactly the same as if I survived cancer myself. Oh, lighten up. I don't really think that. There just comes a certain point when you have to look at a cancer patient and say "Man, thank GOD that could nver happen to a smart guy like me" and learn from it. And then eliminate him because of how bad for the economy he is. Oh, come on, as if I meant that! Lighten ujp. I met a guy who had cancer once. It was really awful for me. | ||
| Jan 28th, 2004 03:07 PM | |||
| The One and Only... | Which is why I hate to watch you cry. | ||
| Jan 28th, 2004 03:02 PM | |||
| mburbank |
Oh, you're just kidding now. You've got me all flumoxed with your clever way of making a point. ou're only saying you enjoy pissing people off becuase that's what Vinth always said and you're being ironic. I guess you're trying to say you hate the fact you always piss people off but you can't help it because you're a compulsive jerk stiring up hatred becuase at least it's someone paying attention to you. Oh! The tears of a clown are the saddest tears of all. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 02:52 PM | |||
| The One and Only... |
I never talk out of my butt. That would be painful, by any sensible measure. But it's nice to know that you keep your head inside of your's. Anywho, being an asshole does not mean that I don't care, or that I'm wrong. It just means that I enjoy pissing people off. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 02:45 PM | |||
| mburbank |
"I'm a fucking asshole!" -OAO Gosh, OAO. What with all your amazing mental slight of hand, I... I just don't know WHAT to think you think! Do you really believe that, ort is it just another one of those clever, provocative stances you take because, well, it just makes folks THINK! I just feel so indebted to you right now. Seriously. You're just so darn cunning. If I ever felt like you use that whole 'lighten up' thing as a device to hide the fact that you're talking out of your but 99.9% of the time and tht you couldn't tell shit from cornpone if the factory label was phoenetic and someone read it to you, I'm sure I was wrong. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 02:13 PM | |||
| The One and Only... |
You're a fool. Of course it isn't right. But you need to compare the situation of those children to the alternatives open to them. They aren't pretty. The market will eventually take care of that by it's very nature. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 01:11 PM | |||
| mburbank |
Of course they were children. And if you don't think that was exploitation that would have to do with your deffinition of the word. Be simpler. Ask yourself if it's okay. Ask yourself if reaping hugely dispraportional profits from people who work hard for you and giving them just barely enough to get by because that's what the market will allow is a good way for human beings to treat children. The only reason you might get to be on the high side of that curve is luck. Or do you think your geniusness and plucky go getter attitude would get you out of a sweat shop? Your deffinition of exploitation is defined by the fact you're sure you'll never face it. By the luck of your birth, you may not. But since you've never needed a job to eat you have no idea. Oh, wait, I forgot, you've met people who have jobs. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 11:25 AM | |||
| The One and Only... |
Those women were not exploited, but you misread Wal-Marts argument entirely. Prior to working for them, they were malnourished, making them look like children. The argument is utter crap - the workers were undoubtably children. But they were not exploited children. No school today. Snow. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 11:20 AM | |||
| mburbank |
Under your deffinition, when Walmart was paying third world women a wage they freely admitted left them malnourished (That was there deffence when accused of child labor, that the women only looked like children because they were malnourished) that Walmart was not exploiting them. The employment is voluntary. The women were paid. Both parties benefitted. Are there no prisons? No workhouses? Or let them die and decreae the surplus population. Shouldn't you be in school? |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 11:13 AM | |||
| The One and Only... | That isn't exploitation. There is no such thing as exploitation within the voluntary contract, regardless of who gets the better deal. Exploitation would involve force, fraud, or theft, which are all barred in the free market that respects property rights. | ||
| Jan 28th, 2004 12:16 AM | |||
| Perndog |
El Blanco: I didn't say it was immoral and I agree the employer can go ahead and do what he wants. I'm not one for morals, myself; I just said it was exploitation. OAO: Indeed there isn't. But as I hope I've demonstrated, there *is* such a thing as exploitation in this system, and if you want people to not be exploited you need more rules than most free-market advocates are prepared to accept. |
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| Jan 27th, 2004 10:46 PM | |||
| The One and Only... | There is no perfect regulated system, either. | ||
| Jan 27th, 2004 10:36 PM | |||
| El Blanco |
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| Jan 27th, 2004 09:53 PM | |||
| Perndog |
It's not a matter of the contract if the worker has no other recourse, and the working conditions don't matter, though the barely livable wage does (which is what I was referring to). The point is, no unregulated system is perfect because these situations will happen. |
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| Jan 27th, 2004 06:36 PM | |||
| El Blanco |
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| Jan 27th, 2004 06:27 PM | |||
| The One and Only... | That's the worker not reading the contract. | ||
| Jan 27th, 2004 06:21 PM | |||
| Perndog |
Okay, then it's when the party with the greater benefit has manipulated the transaction in such a way that he has the advantage and the other party is powerless to change the situation. Example: I pay you to work. My work gets done and you get money, so we both benefit. Then I lower your wage (because I can), and if you don't have another job available you have to keep working for less. You are still benefitting, because I'm still paying you. But I'm exploiting you because I've got your balls in a vise. |
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| Jan 27th, 2004 06:17 PM | |||
| The One and Only... |
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| Jan 27th, 2004 06:15 PM | |||
| ItalianStereotype | did anyone else notice that this guy has only a tenuous understanding of history? | ||
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