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| Sep 24th, 2003 12:23 PM | ||||||
| CaptainBubba |
I'll pay my taxes too. I recognize that its my unwanted responsibility. However Its my opinion that alot of them shouldn't be. Just because I have to do it doesn't mean I'm all for it, much like you (and for the record myself as well) concerning the war effort. I never said I wouldn't pay them.Theres just alot of them I just don't think I should have to. I'm a follower of the belief that all government should require is enough to gaurantee protection to one citizen from another. It will never be this way but I figure its the job of at least a minority of citizens to strive towards this goal. And I think Vince was reffering to my later comment on makin babies with hobo teen girls. Thankfully it had no correlation to actual principles, other than the universal notion that attractive teen girls need to make babies with me. |
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| Sep 24th, 2003 11:26 AM | ||||||
| mburbank |
"And then that the government can give said money to people we don't even know about!! " -See, now, that's how I feel when 'said government' uses lots more of my money to kill people I don't even know about. I feel worse about that then when they use it to feed and shelter people I don't know about, even if those people don't deserve it, and when we kill people who don't deserve it or otherwise collaterally damage them, then I feel real bad about it. But I still recognize my responsability as a citizen to pay my taxes. Infrastructure, political salaries, largest war machine in the world, mini nuke research and social programs all come out of taxes. Tax laws our written by the representatives we elect in our representative democracy. So, yeah, I guess as long as there's due process and innocence until guilt is proven in a court of law, I pretty much support the governments right to jail folks who don't py their taxes. nd I'd be willing to bet that more of my tax bill goes to things I'm totally opposed to than yours does. And all you have to do to get Vinth to like something you did is disagree with me. But don't let tht make you feel bad, or like you need to shower right away. Vinth's approval is a force of nature, and not anyones fault. Like a Hurricane, or a backed up leeching field. |
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| Sep 24th, 2003 11:19 AM | ||||||
| VinceZeb |
Wow, CaptainBubba said something that made me laugh! Will wonders never cease?!? |
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| Sep 24th, 2003 10:59 AM | ||||||
| CaptainBubba |
Forceable coercion is COOL when it goes to thing Max thinks are nessecary!! Lets all give our money to the gov. because we all know they know how to distribute it the right way!! God forbid any of us challenge the idea that the Federal government can threaten us with imprisonment if we don't surrender money we worked for!! And then that the government can give said money to people we don't even know about!! I'm glad you care about the homeless Max. I'd like to think that most people do as well. However no one, including you, can ever justify a Federal welfare system. Or at the very least the current one. For the record though, the article in this thread is sleezy and shamelssly attempts to sway me by filling my head with fantasies of attractive teen girl hobos makin babies wit me. |
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| Sep 24th, 2003 10:22 AM | ||||||
| mburbank | Okay. | |||||
| Sep 24th, 2003 10:13 AM | ||||||
| VinceZeb |
Ever get the feeling max that I have just been ignoring you? But, continue to believe that you are "crushing my spirit" all you what. Whatever gets you through the day... |
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| Sep 24th, 2003 09:29 AM | ||||||
| mburbank |
Yeah, he was kind of desperately trolling around for any excuse at all to fight back since I've been dressing him in a pink layette and pushing him around I-mockery and his own sadly abandoned site in a "Hello Kitty" baby carriage. It was sad spaz-out, but funny. |
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| Sep 24th, 2003 02:43 AM | ||||||
| Brandon |
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| Sep 24th, 2003 01:09 AM | ||||||
| VinceZeb | It was my thread to ruin | |||||
| Sep 24th, 2003 12:52 AM | ||||||
| Perndog |
I think he was jealous that you weren't picking on him. EDIT: Oh, and if anyone calls me a conservative again I will never forgive them.  I won't stand to be dropped in the same bin as the Republicans.
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| Sep 23rd, 2003 04:22 PM | ||||||
| mburbank | har har. | |||||
| Sep 23rd, 2003 04:01 PM | ||||||
| The One and Only... | Thanks for ruining this thread. | |||||
| Sep 23rd, 2003 01:14 PM | ||||||
| mburbank |
Hey, Pernsy, did you ever think Vinth would be describing you as 'reaching for the stars'? Do you think he recalls any of the other stuff he's said about you or do you guess he can't recall much of anything past a few posts? Anyway, it was a very impressive hissy fit and I'm glad he's decided to admire you in spite of your Satanism. Hey waitaminutehere... You don't suppose Vinthy gives a wee tin shit about you or Once and Again, do you? You don't suppose his impassioned deffense of you had more to do with his own injured sense? Oh, well. Keep reaching for the stars, fellas, that's what I say. |
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| Sep 23rd, 2003 12:39 PM | ||||||
| Brandon |
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| Sep 23rd, 2003 12:24 PM | ||||||
| Perndog |
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I did not say that a CEO, stripped of credentials and money and dropped in a ghetto could work his way back up again; I would assume that he would retain his degree(s), if any, and a few business contacts, and I said he would be able to support himself eventually instead of being homeless, not that he would become a CEO again. Now let's talk about me, since this thread quickly degenerated into personal attacks. I think it's funny how Vinth calls me an incomptetent loser in one thread and now says I'll be worth something to society. I don't really care. I am a musician, and if I seek a career performing or recording, it will be difficult regardless of the state of the economy. I fully expect to spend at least one summer if not several months or years touring and living in a van, but I will not be begging and I will have a place to come home to. I also realize that if I follow another kind of work (I'm training to be a studio engineer, and am already employed as such at my college) it will be difficult to find a good job and the security of that job may be up in the air. However, while I may not have rich parents, I do have enough siblings and cousins scattered around that if I do go broke I will always have a place to stay and an address while I get back on my own feet. Failing that, I am not above military service, and the Army is always looking for healthy young men. I repeat: I will never be homeless.. I am arrogant. I do see myself, as you quite accurately put it, as a "predator amongst sheep." I am also realistic. I know what can happen; I see the obstacles, and I am confident that when they come up I will be able to deal with them. Don't think of me as some idealistic yuppie kid with his head in the clouds walking toward a cliff. |
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| Sep 23rd, 2003 10:52 AM | ||||||
| kellychaos |
Any beggar who's anybody goes to New York. Everybody knows THAT! 
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| Sep 23rd, 2003 10:42 AM | ||||||
| mburbank |
Gol, Vinth, sweet meltdown. Did I 'stwike a nurwve'? Say, what happened to your site? I really liked that place. |
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| Sep 23rd, 2003 10:36 AM | ||||||
| VinceZeb |
Max, you can go fuck yourself, you pious windbag. I have easily ignored your idiotic attacks and statements that were filled with stupidity, but your baseless and bias attacks on Pern and OAO is downright horrible. All I have seen you do is attack them fiercely because their views deferred from yours. I easily ignore your attacks because to me you are nothing but a faceless elitist windbag who amounts to a zit on my ass when it comes to annoyance levels. But let’s put the cards on the table right fucking now, Max. Anytime one of these guys’ spouts off ANY type of position that is something you feel is evil, you do nothing but degrade and pour piss in their boots about it time and time again. It seems to me the only person that has a problem with that they are saying is YOU. Why is that, Max? Is it because they are looking towards the stars and the only thing you can do is look to the ceiling of your oh-so-prestigious “museum”? What do you/are you going to provide for society, Max? You work in a museum and write “comedy” for a couple web sites? Overall, it seems like your existence is based on the “optional” phases of the human existence. We don’t need a joke writer for the world to run and I’m sure no one will cry if your museum shuts down. But these guys that you give shit to on a constant basis are TRYING to learn about the world around them. They are seeing past the liberal clap-trap and trying to form their own opinions. Whether they are opinions I myself care for or do not care for is irrelevant. What is relevant is that every time it is something YOU do not like, you give them a bunch of bullshit. Don’t project your fucking failure of an existence on people who are trying to better themselves and thus the world. All you have done is attack me and others for their viewpoints about the poor and about the educational system in this world. You sit here with your bleeding heart self and whine about how I “hate” the poor. I have said time and time again that I do not hate the poor; I have said that I hate the parasites that leech off goods and honest charity that is for people who are truly in need. I hate the people in this article for taking money and food and services away from the people, who for the most part were in mental asylums until liberal morons like yourself fought for their right to “be free”, that need it most because they want to be “uber k00l punx” and rebel against “traditional values”. Fuck these bums. They should get nothing but scorn and ridicule from the people who are truly poor and in dire straights. I feel for those people. I do not feel for free-loading punk-ass teenagers. And I don’t feel for people that are buying food more expensive and more plentiful than myself while paying for it with EBT, which for the idiots out there, are electronic food stamps Why this hatred for the “rich”, Max? Is it because you yourself are not well off and are jealous because you know your choices in life have perceivably moved the brass ring from your grasp? You whine all the time about the “rich” and about the “tax cuts for the rich”. Do you know what our country considers rich in this day and age? It’s around 70,000 bucks. You can look at some of the statistics here: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/men...xes.guest.html Try reading some of the articles while you are at it as well. You will learn about how much the “rich” pays, who is considered “rich” and how it affects the people that you claim to “hold so dear”, the middle-class. Then you have the audacity to whine about your kid’s school district. Guess what? No one fucking cares, Max. If you don’t want to have to worry about your kid’s education, you can 1) send her to a private school or 2) move to a better school district. No one is stopping you from doing one or the other. You can tout your “bad mood” all you fucking want. No one gives a damn. You don’t have a right to give OAO shit because he is concerned about his education. Are you currently in the school system, Max? No, you are not, so you don’t know shit about what is going on. And I’m using Max Logic, so you can understand it better. You want better for your child? Go do something about it. Don’t whine about how the budget costs are crushing your child’s education. If it is so important to you, home school your spawn. Now, I know that your precious museum may crumble without someone there to sweep the floors, but I’m sure they could find someone to replace you in about oh….. 21 minutes. I could go on about your seething hatred for Bush just because he doesn’t want a socialist utopia or about your many attacks on me because you have nothing better to do in life, but I won’t. Here is the reality of the situation, Max: You are worthless to society. Pern and OAO are going to be worth something to society. You and the rest of your bum-fuck geek retarded-ass lookin’ “friends” on this board can take that to the bank. |
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| Sep 23rd, 2003 09:51 AM | ||||||
| mburbank |
Pern, are you just bored because the I-mockery whipping boy hasn't been hsowing up for work very often recently, or are you actually an arrogant idiot? You can look around you right now and be certain you'l never be homeless? Why, rich parents? Or are you just that marvelous? Your prediction that CEO's could be stripped of their credentials and money, dropped in a ghetto and work their way back up again shows a near religous faith, and a very naive and trusting one at that, repalcing Jesus with Horatio Alger. My guess is you think yourself very edgy indeed, very lupine, a predator amongst sheep. Well I am so impressed, and it's all exceedingly charismatic I'm sure. You're way too smart to be such a dope, college boy. |
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| Sep 23rd, 2003 06:14 AM | ||||||
| pjalne |
Oh my god, if it wasn't for the grammar in that statement, it'd be a Vinceism. Not Dole, Pern. |
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| Sep 23rd, 2003 05:29 AM | ||||||
| Dole | "They deserve better than beggars because they have demonstrated possibly productive skills. " -are you out of your fucking mind? Do you have any idea what that sounds like? So midlle class corporate crime is ok because these people have a suit on and an education? | |||||
| Sep 23rd, 2003 05:14 AM | ||||||
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| Sep 22nd, 2003 07:22 PM | ||||||
| derrida |
I hope my previous post didn't give a false impression of New York City's very real homeless youth crisis. These statistics from a suppressed 1997 study commissioned by the office of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani paint a very different picture from the one presented by Vince: From http://www.villagevoice.com/features/9933/kihara.shtml * The study cites estimates of "15,000 to 20,000 homeless youth in New York City." But "the current system of 191 beds in emergency settings, and 317 beds in transitional settings, provide only a fraction of the number necessary to house all youth in need of shelter." * More than half of New York's homeless kids under 21 are from the city's own low-income neighborhoods and nearly two-thirds are black or Latino. * More than a third of 432 street youth surveyed earned money through prostitution. More than half of the young people interviewed considered it " 'somewhat likely or very likely' that they would get AIDS." * Many programs for homeless teens are ill-equipped to handle the variety of problems they face: "Of the 16 residential programs listed in a directory of NYC adolescent drug treatment programs, 9 could not accept a pregnant youth, 11 a MICA 'medically ill chemical abuser,' 14 a suicidal youth, 10 a violent one, and 8 a cross-dresser. Many street-dependent youth can fall into at least one of these categories." * Foster care, overseen by the city's Administration for Children's Services, "is often the first and only housing option for thousands ofyouth who become homeless as a result of family-wide homelessness, deaths of parents, or parental abuse or neglect." But "ACS has closed nearly 400 group home beds since 1995, resulting in a severe shortage of available beds, especially for teenagers entering the system." |
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| Sep 22nd, 2003 06:16 PM | ||||||
| Perndog |
If you took a criminal who had been able to secure a management position with a corporation, stripped him to nothing but his clothes, and put him on the street, I bet he'd be willing and able to get back on his feet sooner or later. He would save enough money through begging to buy decent clothes, find a job that didn't require a permanent residence (I can name several), and work his way up from there. Unlike the bums who either stick to free aid and don't try to support themselves or who go to job interviews looking shabby and with a poor attitude and then complain about their situation. Yes, criminals are criminals, but these ones are also able to be responsible citizens, and if they can be convinced to play by the rules, they should be able to receive due punishment and start fresh. I currently only work on campus; with any luck, I've got three years before my paycheck has anything to do with the current economy. And your last sentence didn't make sense....I may be called upon to remember who I disparaged? or how? I somehow doubt that I'll be homeless or make friends with homeless people once I graduate. |
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| Sep 22nd, 2003 04:21 PM | ||||||
| The One and Only... |
I have no problem with charity, I just don't think government should enforce it. Hell, donations to charities are pratically a selling point these days. I don't have a problem with persecuting white collars, so long as they actually committed a crime e.x. embezzlement, etc. Many times, it's hard to enforce though... |
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