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| Aug 9th, 2003 01:07 PM | |||
| El Blanco |
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| Aug 8th, 2003 12:46 PM | |||
| ranxer |
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| Aug 8th, 2003 11:43 AM | |||
| mburbank | Oh, sure, just like another guy to other the other when they would have been the other whining other guy other the first other other other whine about other when other other before the first of which the other guy other other other other of the whining! | ||
| Aug 8th, 2003 11:34 AM | |||
| kellychaos |
Vinth has hacked Max's account! Call a cop. 
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| Aug 8th, 2003 11:25 AM | |||
| mburbank |
Yeah, Kelly, way to whine about a thing that gets whined about when someone else who also could be you or someone of your ilk has already been whining about another things when you didn't whine about the first thing, but they did. Dumbass. |
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| Aug 8th, 2003 11:03 AM | |||
| kellychaos | Consider this Vinth ... or not ... I don't care. There was a Prohibition Amendment in the Constitution which has subsequently been repealed yet the sale of alcohol is still regulated. You can't go into a bar at eighteen, a legal voter, and demand a drink because it's guaranteed in the Constitution as a right. You'll find that in most rights included in the "Bill Of Rights", that there are subsequent laws and court rulings, or precedents, which serve as a guideline to interpret the "grays" inherent in those rights. It's not YOUR interpretation. It's the legal system's interpretation. They've been doing it a long time and they MIGHT just know a little bit more about the original intent of those bits of legislation, don't ya think?! | ||
| Aug 8th, 2003 09:22 AM | |||
| mburbank |
What he Vinth is how can somebody do a thing if some other time another guy or the ffirst guy does a thing that has some stuff in common with the thing either of them did first but then they complain about the other thing? I mean how can you object to something and then not object to everything that has anything in common with it? How hard is that to understand? I mean, it's not like Vinth is a retard. |
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| Aug 8th, 2003 08:17 AM | |||
| Zero Signal |
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| Aug 8th, 2003 07:40 AM | |||
| FS |
I'm trying to wrap my mind around it but it's so vast and sweaty it keeps slipping out. So, in Vince world it is amazing that "liberals" don't want waiting periods before they get a gun, while they also don't want waiting periods before they get an abortion, because one is contested by the Constitution while the other is not. Aside from the complex asininity of it all, I guess that Vince thinks babies can be bought from the baby store and if you squeeze them, they spew bullets. Also, guns are made when two NRA members passionately shake hands and unless it is taken apart within three months, it is indestructable. |
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| Aug 8th, 2003 04:47 AM | |||
| pjalne |
What I don't get, is what he means. Quote:
'Why do people whine about A, but whine about B?' What the hell kind of sense is that supposed to make? is it: A: 'Why do people not only whine about A, but whine about B also?' B: 'Why don't people whine about A, but whine about B?' C: 'Why do people whine about A, but don't whine about B?' ... or is it upposed to mean something different altogether? I'm not trying to turn this thread into another Vince bash fest, I just want to know what the hell he's talking about. |
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| Aug 7th, 2003 01:30 PM | |||
| mburbank |
I think since the constitution states our right to bear arms, the govt. should provide them. I think there should be huge, unlocked weapons caches on every street corner, weapons loaded and ready. Waiting period, scmaiting period, I have the right to defend myself, why should I be burdened with CARRYING a weapon? Vibe, seriously, you're asking way more of Vinth in the thinking department then he's capable of. You're asking a man who gets a bone on fantasizing using weapons to 'protect' people to concider consequences. |
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| Aug 7th, 2003 01:05 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
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You are so big on the constitution and the "rights" listed therein you seem to have forgoten that life isn't black and white text. I think owning a gun should be a privilage not a right. And I would hope that someone who wants to protect the unborn children would want to do the same for the children who would be in jeapordy if say a released child molester could just walk in and by a gun without a background check. Circumstances my boy. You have to consider circumstances. |
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| Aug 7th, 2003 11:17 AM | |||
| ranxer |
Northwoods doc links: referenced via James Bamfords book 'body of secrets': http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Da...fs_010501.html more via infowars: http://www.infowars.com/northwoods.htm has anyone seen the vid 'why we dropped the bomb' ( circa 1987 i believe) peter jennings brings a lot of historians to bear on pearl and hiroshima.. they don't go as far as others but the consensus there is that we did not leaflet the japs that we were going to drop the bomb.. the reasoning being that the impact of the bomb would not be as great.. the movie historians hint that the bombs were not dropped to stop the japs but more to keep russia in its place. i also found this timeline of WWII events interesting, but there isnt enough references to make it definitive :/ http://www.blankgen.com/arkansucknew...ad.php?tid=403 |
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| Aug 7th, 2003 11:16 AM | |||
| kellychaos |
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| Aug 7th, 2003 11:01 AM | |||
| El Blanco | The first statement was made in private, either in his journal or to his high command. The seond one was supposedly in a speech to the people. | ||
| Aug 7th, 2003 10:29 AM | |||
| kellychaos |
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If my choices are to either have arms or be ruled by a tyrannical dictator that I have no means to overthrow, take a guess which one I'd choose. Which leads me to MY point ... what's YOUR point? :/ |
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| Aug 7th, 2003 09:13 AM | |||
| The One and Only... | Background checks, etc. They don't want the gun to go to a crazy psycho. | ||
| Aug 7th, 2003 08:45 AM | |||
| VinceZeb | Why is it that liberals whine about having "waiting periods" on getting a gun, something that is a plain-as-day right in the Constitution, but whine about ANY waiting period on abortions, which isn't a right in the Constitution at all? | ||
| Aug 6th, 2003 11:05 PM | |||
| Jeanette X | Ranx, can you give me a link to this declassified document? | ||
| Aug 6th, 2003 10:50 PM | |||
| O71394658 |
Ranx, I never know if you're joking, so I'm not even going to bother with that post. :/ "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to posses arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so." -Adolph Hitler 1938 ""This year, will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" (although there is some propaganda circling as to doubt Hitler said this- he [i]did[\i] in fact say the first one) |
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| Aug 6th, 2003 05:59 PM | |||
| ranxer |
i must admit the references to cia and others knowing about the pearl harbor attack 12 days before are very hard to find as is the info regarding japan being ready to surrender before the bomb, it all depends on what you read.. ive come across the info in books by zinn and the war on freedom, so i can't prove much here.. many folks with the personal experience are now dead. my point is not that there's some shadow government (as blanco says) working as a team to pull the wool over our eyes.. its that there are corrupt people in the government using thier power to sway opinion with only a little concern about collateral damage(concern based on selfpreservation). the wmd issue is 90% manufactured and those using the issue should be held accountable.. i just see this situation as similar to many other situations that were surrounded by lies, demonization, fear, and cloak and dagger tactics. have you heard of the declasified northwoods document? we've had plans to bait an enemy into first strike or fabricate a first strike(hard to prove) over and over if you look into it.. if you don't believe it or don't care, i'm saying that you have been duped into waving that flag as if gw really cares about you. If the plans were known about, do you think they would use them? control of information is thier first line of defence. plus everybody knows how slippery politicians are, you think that's for no reason? give me a break. gw rewards the financial contributors and throws the rest to the wolves.. even our GI's are suffering many cutbacks. gw needed collateral damage to back a move into oil country to stabalize the dollar and provide new contracts for the corp heads that got him into power. at least thats what i and many others see as the main reason we had 9-11, attack on afghanistan, wmd's and iraq occupation. |
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| Aug 6th, 2003 05:27 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
Okay Actually, I did read you whole argument. You believe that that a gun and a nuke are different. And they are in many ways. I believe that a lunatic is a lunatic. Your qualifier is the weapon. Mine is the lunatic. I find that the lunatic is the more important part of that equation. |
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| Aug 6th, 2003 04:17 PM | |||
| The One and Only... |
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| Aug 6th, 2003 03:39 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
Guns Totally there Seth and Kelly If you can't wait 15 days for a gun you may be exactly the kind of person that shouldn't have one. |
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| Aug 6th, 2003 03:30 PM | |||
| kellychaos |
Exactly. If they are such sticklers for discipline and responsibility, why would there ever be a rush to own a handgun or a fear of a backgroung check at any given time? I also have issues with those that feel a need for assault rifles. Why God, why?!  ... and don't gimme that "collectibles" crap.
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