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Sep 9th, 2003 10:57 AM

kellychaos

I'm not going up against Kevin 'cause he can outquote me. :/

Sep 8th, 2003 07:13 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

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Originally Posted by El Blanco

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And as for her qualifications, she has been the wife of a governor and a president (better credentials than Elizabeth Dole for one),

So what? Seriously, how does that qualify her for a damn thing? We all know what Bill got away with under her nose.

How is his infidelity relevant at all...? I mean, I know folks on the Right have this exaggerated hatred for the Clintons, but come on.

The crux of this entire thread was celebrities, and the merit that should be given to their opinions. Hilary has had an active role in the positions her husband held, and whether you like her or not, she knows politics. She isn't Johnny Depp, she isn't Sonny Bono, she is a democratically elected official for the people of NYS. It's her JOB to speak up against executive policies, and any further comparisons to people like Bono or Depp should just be dismissed.

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she is/was an attorney

Mediocre at best. A friend of mine is in the Army reserves and is under the command of a general who was at her old firm. He said he has no idea how that woman became a lawyer. Apparently she wasn't that good at that, either.

Yeah, and my state and local government teacher was the lawyer for Jake Gunther. Apparently he was a great guy (R.I.P.). Who cares what people say? Have you (or I, for that matter) passed the bar? Was your buddy elected by thousands of New Yorkers? Again, the excuses and comparisons are lame, and really just reveal a slightly creepy obsession with the Clintons....

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and is fairly well versed in politics and the law

Just look at her shining record with Whitewater and healthcare. Thats well versed?

If you mean her (formerly) being a proponent of a nationalized system, I fail to see your point. I realize conservatives tend to be the self-appointed experts on public policy, but it seems to work for other industrialized nations, and President Bush's recent strides in medicare coverage show that even he sees the need for a more interventionist policy in healthcare.

Whitewater: As far as scandals go, the Bushs, Reagans, and Nixons of the nation had and have their fair share of them, and nobody is bringing their free speech credibility into question.

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And back to her not being from the state, I'm fairly certain that before she ran she had a team of experts, pollsters, and fellow elected officials bring her up to speed on NY politics and issues

Larry Flint is more qualified in California than she is here.

Was Bobby Kennedy inept at his elected position...?

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I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio.

Please. Giuliani and Lazio are both New Yorkers, which according to your logic should've been enough. Lazio outspent her by roughly $10 million, and he and Giuliani collectively spent roughly $60 million to try to beat her. Lazio was incompetent, and a bad candidate, period.

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Face it, the only reason she got as far as she has is because she latched onto the penis that stumbled its way into the White House.

Maybe, but that's often the case with politics. Fame and association often takes priority over intelligence, leadership skills, and management ability. Again, so what? Where's the precedent being set??

Sep 8th, 2003 12:50 PM

Protoclown

Let's get back to the issue at hand here.

Johnny Depp is cool.

Sep 8th, 2003 11:50 AM

kellychaos

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Originally Posted by KevinTheHerbivore

I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio. New York is a perty big state, and I'm willing to bet the needs of his constituency differed quite greatly from those in my home county of Orange, and even greater from those in places such as Plattsburgh, Saratoga, and Macena.

She basically seems to have ridden on her husband's coat tails and, from what I've seen of recents polls, I'LL BET she doesn't get re-elected. Anyway, my main point wasn't that she has the right/duty, as a senator, to address issues about certain programs. My main point was that her comments amounted to more of a personal attack which is mainly "her word against his" mudslinging" and really has nothing to do with the content of said program which, by the way, HAS been expanded ... perhaps not as much as Hillary would have like but it has.

Sep 8th, 2003 07:03 AM

Helm

HEY, A WOMAN'S GOTTA DO WHAT A WOMAN'S GOTTA DO

Sep 7th, 2003 08:00 PM

El Blanco

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And as for her qualifications, she has been the wife of a governor and a president (better credentials than Elizabeth Dole for one),

So what? Seriously, how does that qualify her for a damn thing? We all know what Bill got away with under her nose.

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she is/was an attorney

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and is fairly well versed in politics and the law

Just look at her shining record with Whitewater and healthcare. Thats well versed?

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And back to her not being from the state, I'm fairly certain that before she ran she had a team of experts, pollsters, and fellow elected officials bring her up to speed on NY politics and issues

Larry Flint is more qualified in California than she is here.

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I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio.

she wasn't going up against anyone when she started. The only strong Republican in NY was Guiliani, and most people thought he was going to wait out his term before running for Senate. And Lazio would have had a better chance had Rudy dropped out earlier.

Face it, the only reason she got as far as she has is because she latched onto the penis that stumbled its way into the White House.

Sep 7th, 2003 04:20 AM

Geggy

Depp probably gets his opinion from Hunter Thompson. 'America is a dumb puppy' is something Thompson would say, afterall they are close friends.

Sep 7th, 2003 03:01 AM

Jixby Phillips

I hate anybody with opinions on anything.

Thats what i think.

Sep 6th, 2003 08:41 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

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Originally Posted by El Blanco

Its not her motivations( well a little) it is her qualifications.

SHE ISN'T EVEN FROM THE GODDAMNED STATE SHE CLAIMS TO REPRESENT!

Again, no obvious trend being set here....

And as for her qualifications, she has been the wife of a governor and a president (better credentials than Elizabeth Dole for one), she is/was an attorney, and is fairly well versed in politics and the law (whether or not you agree with her politics, or her interpretive skills). Again, no comparison between her and Depp, OR Sonny Bono.

And back to her not being from the state, I'm fairly certain that before she ran she had a team of experts, pollsters, and fellow elected officials bring her up to speed on NY politics and issues. She had to do this, otherwise she might not have won, particularly the typically conservative votes she pulled in the North Country.

I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio. New York is a perty big state, and I'm willing to bet the needs of his constituency differed quite greatly from those in my home county of Orange, and even greater from those in places such as Plattsburgh, Saratoga, and Macena.

Sep 6th, 2003 08:20 PM

Immortal Goat

Yeah, but he ALSO married Cher, so I don't see why people thought he was smart enough to be a congressman.

Sep 6th, 2003 08:11 PM

El Blanco

Its not her motivations( well a little) it is her qualifications.

SHE ISN'T EVEN FROM THE GODDAMNED STATE SHE CLAIMS TO REPRESENT!

Sonny Bono was at least from the Palm Springs area.

Sep 6th, 2003 01:33 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

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Originally Posted by El Blanco

And besides, she became a Senator because she was famous, not because she actually did anything.

Yeah, she really started a new trend here.

Hillary was the president's wife. ENOUGH with the whole "clebrities, or er, people from past administrations shouldn't talk...ever." If that were the case, I'd be the first to gag Elizabeth Dole....

Glowbelly is right. She is a United States Senator. This is her job, regardless of her own motivations. There is a big difference between her and Johnny Depp.

Sep 6th, 2003 01:02 PM

El Blanco

And besides, she became a Senator because she was famous, not because she actually did anything.

Sep 6th, 2003 11:39 AM

kellychaos

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celebrity

\Ce*leb"ri*ty\, n.; pl. Celebrities. [L. celebritas: cf. F. c['e]l['e]brit['e].] 1. Celebration; solemnization. [Obs.]

The celebrity of the marriage. --Bacon.

2. The state or condition of being celebrated; fame; renown; as, the celebrity of Washington.

An event of great celebrity in the history of astronomy. --Whewell.

3. A person of distinction or renown; -- usually in the plural; as, he is one of the celebrities of the place.

I'd say it fits whether a person is in the arts or politics, wouldn't you? Anyway, she's not my senator and my disrespect for her increases daily.

My point was that I don't remember any persons from previous administrations bad mouthing current administrations. Think about it. Do you? It's just in poor taste especially as it was an agreement that was or was not made THEN. If she has a problem with what is CURRENTLY happening to the program, then she should address THOSE issues and not dig up old bones.

Sep 6th, 2003 11:32 AM

glowbelly

i wasn't aware that hillary clinton was a "celebrity." it was my understanding that she is a senator, and the former first lady of the united states of america.

i'm thinking that as a SENATOR, it's part of her job to speak up for/against the current administration.

i could be wrong though.

Sep 6th, 2003 11:06 AM

kellychaos

K, LUV U BUB-BYE!

Sep 5th, 2003 03:53 PM

Daphne

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Originally Posted by kellychaos

I'm not a Bush lover but come on Billary, get some class!

yeah that was scathing, Smelly Gay-os (LOL GET IT CAUSE YOU CAME UP WITH THAT CLEVER NAME FOR JIXBY THAT WASN'T CLEVER! GET IT!).
Now finish up with a joke about how Ross Perot is short you unfunny cock.

YOU WISH YOU WERE MARK RUSSELL, THAT'S HOW NOT FUNNY YOU ARE

Sep 5th, 2003 11:52 AM

El Blanco

I love how she keeps blowing up over the supposed cover ups and such.

Hey, Hil, remember Whitewater? Vince Foster ring a bell?

Sep 5th, 2003 11:43 AM

kellychaos

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Originally Posted by El Blanco

Also, I can't believe I missed this:

He wants to live in France because it is safer for his kids?

"Hi, Johnny? This is Roman Polanski. I was wondering if you needed a babysitter tonight."

Very nice!

Other celebrities that need to STFU or "From The Takes One To Know One" Files:

Hillary Clinton accusing Bush of breaking promises (i.e. LYING) to keep AmeriCorps going. Since when do former presidential families bad mouth current administrations? I'm not a Bush lover but come on Billary, get some class!

Sep 4th, 2003 10:52 PM

Perndog

I want to see a full-text interview, otherwise I'm going to stop believing anything I hear from or about Johnny Depp, good or bad. Fucking journalists.

That bears repeating. FUCKING JOURNALISTS

Sep 4th, 2003 09:17 PM

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Actor Johnny Depp Disavows Anti-American Quotes

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Denying any anti-American sentiment on his part, actor Johnny Depp (news) said on Thursday that quotes attributed to him as likening the United States to a "dumb puppy" were inaccurate and taken out of context.

"I am an American. I love my country and have great hopes for it," Depp said in a statement released by his Los Angeles-based publicist. "It is for this reason that I speak candidly and sometimes critically about it. I have benefited greatly from the freedom that exists in my country and for this I am eternally grateful."

Depp, currently starring in the swashbuckling film "Pirates of the Caribbean," issued the statement a day after the German news magazine Stern published an interview in which he ridiculed Washington's confrontation with France, where he lives, over the U.S. war in Iraq (news - web sites).

The magazine quoted the actor as saying "America is ... like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive." He was further quoted as saying he wanted his children to "see America as ... a broken toy" that they should explore, get the feel of, then "get out."

Explaining his comments a day later, Depp he had been using a metaphor that was taken "radically out of context," adding, "There was no anti-American sentiment."

"What I was saying was that, compared to Europe, America is a very young country and we are still growing as a nation," he said. "My deepest apologies to those who were offended, affected, or hurt by this insanely twisted deformation of my words and intent."

His spokeswoman added that the Kentucky-born Depp, 40, lives in the south of France with his family because his wife, actress-singer Vanessa Paradis (news), is French.

Sep 4th, 2003 05:16 PM

Perndog

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Originally Posted by kellychaos

I'd appreciate more if he expressed himself more coherently and intelligently. With much power comes much responsibility. Regardless of how he meant it, he didn't say " the current administration" in his blanket statements about americans. If he truly meant that about americans, than he should learn the old "bite the hand that feeds you" addage. This is where the hypocrisy comes in. I'd like to see his european movie sales vs his american sales. That and the "puttin' on airs" prentensious attitude of an outsider looking in (and down) burned my ass. Know your roots, boy!

The article said "until the political climate changes," so that means he was talking about the current administration and not Americans in general. And it's not the politicians that are making him money, it's the movie goers, and he never bitched about them. Finally, what's pretentious about criticizing a foreign country's government? He used to live here, after all, and I'm sure he's spent plenty of time here since he moved to France. I'd say he's in as good a position to speak his mind as any of us; the fact that we're still here doesn't make us special. Hell, if things keep going the way they are, I'm going to keep on blasting the US government long after I move to Britain.

Sep 4th, 2003 03:04 PM

Bennett

I don't get it, wasn't roman's baby sprayed across the floor of his house in a bloody massacre?

Sep 4th, 2003 02:49 PM

sspadowsky

@ El Blanco.

Sep 4th, 2003 02:43 PM

El Blanco

As soon as they enter politics, all celebrities must take a mandatory ski trip.

Anyway, ya, Depp has an opinion and can say what he thinks( he might want to try the last part before he speaks next time), but, so can I. If I think he is full of shit, not only will I say so, I'm gonna back it up.

Also, I can't believe I missed this:

He wants to live in France because it is safer for his kids?

"Hi, Johnny? This is Roman Polanski. I was wondering if you needed a babysitter tonight."

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