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Mar 28th, 2003 07:03 PM
JackChick I'm not. I just said it was crap.
Mar 28th, 2003 07:00 PM
ItalianStereotype why are you watching pokemon now?
Mar 28th, 2003 06:55 PM
JackChick Although NOW.....
Mar 28th, 2003 06:27 PM
Zomboid Hey, back when pokemon was pretty new in north america, almost everyone 13 and under watched it. At the time it really wasn't that bad if you ignored the really lame stuff :/
Mar 28th, 2003 06:20 PM
JackChick Cartoons of today annoy me. A LOT.

First of all, there's pokemon.

Pokemon is probably pretty decent in Japan. But in Canada, it SUCKS. I mean, how hard is it to make a good show about monsters beating the crap out of each other?

Not very. But these people are dumber than average people(Who are dumber than rutabagass). Instead of making a good show with blood and gore and actual humor, we get an idiot, a personality-less person and a guy who gets a boner at anything.

Bah.

Then, Mucha Lucha. Mucha Lucha doesn't seem to be all that good since the main guys suck ass. You have a guy who MIGHT be a pinball, a psychotic fleaman(the one good guy) and a thing so dull that light itself cannot escape it. Why this is even more sad, however, is that nigh every other character in the series is more interesting, from 200 pound scarecrows to a guy with a 3-foot tall brain on his head.

And the brain guy needs its own show.

Finally, there's sailor moon. Sailor moon is pathetic beyond belief. They edited all the violence out!

Bah. Old cartoons are much better.

Note: After Power Rangers, there came season 2-4 of Reboot, which truly whooped ass.
Mar 18th, 2003 05:43 PM
Zomboid
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Originally Posted by Ninjavenom
I have two of them on tape. They still rock ass, though michaelangelo can be too "rad" at times. :/
Same, on both things. But it was aimed at kids and it was in the early 90's (mainly).
Mar 18th, 2003 02:39 PM
Ninjavenom I have two of them on tape. They still rock ass, though michaelangelo can be too "rad" at times. :/
Mar 18th, 2003 11:11 AM
whoreable I agree the theme song is so fucking lame it make me want to cry.
as for the shell jokes, although i agree I am willing to bet that the original has a billion of em too.

The original was awesome at the time, but if I watched it now it would probaly painful to watch.
Mar 18th, 2003 10:12 AM
Daphne I dunno about the Turtles thing. Were you a fan of the comic? The first episode was almost takend verbatim from the comic book.

I just can't get over how gay the theme song is, and I hate the 'shell' jokes.
Mar 17th, 2003 08:55 AM
Zomboid
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Originally Posted by whoreable
But i do think that the new ninja turtles would probaly be better than the old one if you watched them side by side.
No fucking way. The new one isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but it's got some things I really don't like about it. The anime shit, for one thing. The original made em out to be ninjas, but this new one seems like it's trying to go too far with it. I wouldn't be surprised if in a future episode they all sat around drinking tea and praying to the dragon god or some shit.

I agree with james about gargoyles. It was a pretty mature show... for the year and for a disney toon, anyway. In the first episode, a bunch of gargoyles get killed while they're asleep (in stone). They'd never even do that these days. I also really liked batman: the animated series and the 2 sequel series.
Mar 16th, 2003 10:35 PM
Ninjavenom Good call on the oddparents, boogie.

They showed that Rainbow Brite movie at school when i was in first grade () Chojin. :O

Transforers did indeed have the best characters. I always loved soundwave. He was the king of all transformers, without a doubt. You piss him off, he'll toss a rabid dog-tape at you to eat your transformer-guts!
Mar 16th, 2003 09:00 PM
Anonymous I like the Fairly Oddparents. There's a lot of slap-stick stuff, plus a lot of jokes that very few kids would really understand.

Also, Tokyo Pig is the shizzit.
Mar 16th, 2003 08:17 PM
Anonymous I watched a Rainbow Brite movie the other day (the one with the Princess and the crystal planet that was getting wrapped up), and was kinda shocked. I mean, Rainbow Brite actually killed the princess. And they kept talking about how if the planet was gone and winter continued to endure, they would all die.

I probably would have started crying if I'd seen all that when I was 4

Okay, I was crying all night anyway.
Mar 16th, 2003 07:48 PM
pissed off salesman oh and lets not forget zim.nickelodeon showed the glorius episode and yoinked it right out, like tormenting a dog with the worlds tastiest cold cut. and plus vasquez even tried to make it seem like there was a moral but when any cahrachter began to say or do something moral he got blasted in the face or get hit by a flaming car. that was great! curse nickelodeon for their shameless profiteering!!!!!!
Mar 16th, 2003 07:40 PM
whoreable I was amazed when i watched the saturday moring cartoons and they had two pokemon clones. one with food instead of pokemon and the other with tops. it is ridiculous. But i do think that the new ninja turtles would probaly be better than the old one if you watched them side by side.
Mar 16th, 2003 06:26 PM
Skulhedface The only case of that I can remember is from the second Transformers movie, which it's been so long since I've seen that I'm running on PURE memory here.

it's the one where Megatron is trying to pull Cybertron close to Earth so that Cybertron's gravity would destroy the Earth, and they had to call the Dinobots to help brace the damage that was about to be done. The Dinobot leader (Grimlock?) was reluctant at first because he personally wasn't going to gain anything from it, but Optimus Prime pointed out that if Earth was destroyed, he would be as well, so the Dinobots agreed.

The only reason I bring it up is because it's the only instance I can remember and it supports your post.
Mar 16th, 2003 06:12 PM
Zbu Manowar Oh, there's no avoiding that angle. But then again, when they were doing an obvious product push that character either took a back seat if he/she was allowed to stay, was ushered off on a 'never to speak again' basis, or took on a life of its own. Hell, the Dinobots were like that and they just came into their own.

Speaking of which, weren't the Dinobots considered the uncontrollable loose cannons of the Autobots? I vaguely remember them being in some kind of stasis until the shit hit the fan, then they were pulled out to do some damage. You don't see enough of that true anti-hero stuff nowadays outside of Wolverine clones.
Mar 16th, 2003 05:04 PM
Skulhedface
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Originally Posted by Zbu Manowar
Today's cartoons look like they're written by a group of mothers with a vague handle on what appeals to children and a less grasp on the drama of it all.
I half agree with you. The other half is blatant commercialism. See, in the 80s, God bless them, the TOYS were the basis for the cartoons. GI Joe, Transformers and He-Man were basically three of the biggest action figure vehicles of the 80s, but you fell in with the stories and the action, and the cartoons are still watchable today.
Now, however, the SHOWS drive the ACTION figures, i.e. new characters are introduced SQUARELY to sell new toys. I agree that even in the 80s cartoons were commercials, essentially, but they were still god damn enjoyable. The main difference is that it's more or less still happening by sacrificing much more. I think a suit-type figured out that the less story they had, and the more blatant "gotta catch 'em all!" that was included, they make more money. Profits. And it's sad that childhood is being tarnished and insulted all to make sure a bigwig's wife gets her silicone tits before their holiday in the Bahamas. They aren't even trying to HIDE the fact that they're laughing all the way to the bank.

There was only one cartoon that renewed my faith in humanity, until Nickelodeon took it over, and of course that's Ren and Stimpy, but rejoice, because the original creators have the rights back and since it will be geared toward adults this time around we can finally see a quality toon.
Mar 16th, 2003 04:43 PM
James Gargoyles was like that.

Just this morning, I was talking to Zomboid about an episode where Broadway is playing with Elisa's gun, and accidentally shoots her.

Or the time that the three Hunters were after the gargoyles, and in the end, one of the Hunters shoots his brother by accident, paralyzing him.

Guns are fun.
Mar 16th, 2003 04:34 PM
FS Transformers really had some of the best characters ever, and I don't mean their looks. Optimus Prime was this gritty leader who had a good 'heart' and all, but he wasn't afraid to get his hands dirty and take on Decepticons in hands-on brawl. On the other side, Megatron managed to keep all the Decepticons in FEAR. Occasionally someone would try to slip something past him (mainly Starscream), but none would dare to openly cross him. Even though none of them really were dumb, or clumsy. Starscream was a snivelling coward, but he wasn't stupid. It's just completely different from any cartoon show I ever saw.

They managed to make Bumblebee/Goldbug look cool and tough. That's something not many people would be able to do.

I really need to get my hands on all of the old Transformers episodes. In my memory the episodes with Rodimus Prime and Galvatron were a little less than the originals, but one of the episodes that stuck with me the most is of that time: it's the one where the Autobots find Optimus Prime's "corpse" and re-activate it, only it's been secretly sabotaged by the Quintessons so that he's torn between good and evil (Rodimus tries to make him accept the Matrix back, but it hurts him to wear it). In the end, Optimus dies again. They don't dare to do stuff like that anymore today.
Mar 16th, 2003 04:03 PM
Zbu Manowar And even then, they're not meant to be taken as any serious drama. Back in the '80s we were witness to Optimus Prime getting killed.....think the kids of today will see Pikachu getting blasted like that? Hell no.
Mar 16th, 2003 03:52 PM
FS That's a good point. Anyway, I think it's at least ten years since I last saw a GI Joe episode, so I can't really make a clear judgement on those anymore. And if I saw it now, I'd probably be laughing too hard to see any negativity.

The only good cartoons I see nowadays, I think, are made for older people, with jokes the kids probably won't pick up on.
Mar 16th, 2003 02:13 PM
Zbu Manowar I've been watching GI Joe on Saturday Nights and so far it's proved superior to a lot of cartoons today. Sure, it's not fucking gold and a few of the episodes were obviously written in a day to get past the whole Joes/Cobra angle...but come on, just because they were crudely animated doesn't mean they suck as much ass as most of the toons today.

Let's face it: what made Joes and Transformers and Thundercats wasn't the animation values, it was because the people who wrote this had a good sense of dramatic license and knew how to tell a good story (even if the voices didn't portray it) or knew how to make it all seem real. Today's cartoons look like they're written by a group of mothers with a vague handle on what appeals to children and a less grasp on the drama of it all. To them, conflict is something that could be talked over and about...which is a pretty damn naive thing to tell children.

So, in short, cartoons back then were great because they saved all the unimportant educational shit for the end and one line instead of shoveling it up kids's asses during the whole fucking thing.
Mar 16th, 2003 03:32 AM
Skulhedface Because Magic is SO 1995
Mar 16th, 2003 02:10 AM
noob3 Why the fuck does anyone play Yu-Gi-Oh when you can play Magic the Gathering?
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