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Nov 5th, 2004 03:46 AM
MrAdventure some president!!!
Nov 5th, 2004 03:20 AM
FS Four legs good. Two legs better.
Nov 5th, 2004 12:27 AM
Immortal Goat I haven't seen any. It may be cliche, but it is appropriate.
Nov 5th, 2004 12:22 AM
Perndog Sspad is exempt from being cliche in this instance for using a much less nauseatingly familiar line from the book.

But in almost any other case, no matter how appropriate 1984 references may seem or actually be, they have already been BLOODY OVERUSED.
Nov 5th, 2004 12:21 AM
Perndog Sspad is exempt from being cliche in this instance for using a much less nauseatingly cliche line from the book.

But in almost any other case, no matter how appropriate 1984 references may seem or actually be, they have already been BLOODY OVERUSED.
Nov 4th, 2004 11:56 PM
Immortal Goat War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Nice reference, Sspad.
Nov 4th, 2004 11:35 PM
sspadowsky We are at war with Iraq. We have always been at war with Iraq.
Nov 4th, 2004 11:01 PM
Ant10708
Quote:
Originally Posted by Immortal Goat
They both want to get us out of the war as soon as they can *supposedly*, but Kerry wanted to try and do it a little quicker than Bush said was possible. Now, we will never know how fast our people could have been home, because Bush has no exit strategy. Insurgents all over the place.

For those of you who voted for Bush, think of this. Many of my friends are in the military fighting a war which Bush offhandedly admitted cannot be won, and therefore cannot end. My friends are risking their lives for your man in the White House. I know that they joined of their own free will, but they didn't expect an unjust war such as the one we are fighting. I want to see my friends come home. Some of them are not yet deployed, and I thank whatever god there is out there that they are not. However, if you believe that this is the right war, then you fucking join the army and fight it. Leave my friends out of it. ckyou
The majority of the military supports Bush so maybe your friends should just get out as soon as they can.
Nov 4th, 2004 09:55 PM
KidneyStone read my thread about the war on terror
Nov 4th, 2004 09:49 PM
Immortal Goat They both want to get us out of the war as soon as they can *supposedly*, but Kerry wanted to try and do it a little quicker than Bush said was possible. Now, we will never know how fast our people could have been home, because Bush has no exit strategy. Insurgents all over the place.

For those of you who voted for Bush, think of this. Many of my friends are in the military fighting a war which Bush offhandedly admitted cannot be won, and therefore cannot end. My friends are risking their lives for your man in the White House. I know that they joined of their own free will, but they didn't expect an unjust war such as the one we are fighting. I want to see my friends come home. Some of them are not yet deployed, and I thank whatever god there is out there that they are not. However, if you believe that this is the right war, then you fucking join the army and fight it. Leave my friends out of it. ckyou
Nov 4th, 2004 09:30 PM
KidneyStone
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Originally Posted by Helm
Even though I understand that on foreign policy the two parties aren't different in any substantial way
I was under the impression that Bush wanted to stay in Iraq and
Kerry wanted to get out as soon as possible.
If I an wrong yell at me
If I am right isn't that a substantial difference.
Nov 4th, 2004 09:49 AM
Helm So I have to ask this, does this mean the majority of the american voting public told Bush "good job on the war! more of that for 4 years!"? Even though I understand that on foreign policy the two parties aren't different in any substantial way, that's still a litte depressive if you think about it....
Nov 4th, 2004 09:39 AM
glowbelly aw fuck :'(
Nov 4th, 2004 09:37 AM
AChimp I don't care what you say! Unless you're working in a coal mine, you are not working hard.

You're either with me, or you're against me.
Nov 4th, 2004 09:35 AM
glowbelly really!

my boyfriend breaks his back at his job, sometimes working 60+ hours a week and getting no overtime pay because his boss "can't afford" to pay it and my boyfriend can't afford to be without work.
Nov 4th, 2004 09:28 AM
AChimp I don't think taking tickets counts as working hard. Ronnie should work in a coal mine.
Nov 4th, 2004 09:21 AM
Zhukov I think Ronnie wants things to turn out well just for Americans. But only Americans that 'work hard'.
Nov 4th, 2004 09:15 AM
ranxer divided, divided, divided.. we got a lovely mess to deal with but at least the bush admin has to deal with thier mess in Iraq.. i'm still for bringing the troops home. now more than ever.. as bush has said 'i will never involve our troops in an open ended war.. never use our troops for nation building' the real flip flopper is still in office thanks to fear of gay marraige.. sheesh.. the real october surprise was homophobia.

at least i don't have to retool all my anti-bush literature into something else.. i'm hitting the ground running with old lit haha.

4 more years of the 'warcrime president'

i'm a little mystified about how to talk to the 'christian right' however.

i did a lot of polling of repubs during the election and most of them had three reasons for thier support of W. 1) i like him cause he's for family values 2) he's 'pro-life' (which i read as pro-fetus) 3) um cause i just like him.

its tough to argue with folks that don't have a clue about his policies.. how do you discuss an arguement of memes where facts are thrown out the window for warm and fuzzy gut feelings?
Nov 4th, 2004 04:28 AM
FS I can honestly believe that Ronnie wants things to turn out well for everyone.

But I think he cares about 'shutting the other side up' even more.
Nov 3rd, 2004 09:05 PM
KevinTheOmnivore

Nov 3rd, 2004 07:50 PM
ScruU2wice
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Originally Posted by Ronnie Raygun
Max, I'm truly sorry you feel so down about it......

I like you want everything to work out for the best.
wow that was an amazing reply, cept for the fact that you could careless.

Tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts.

You couldn't give a shit less about what these tax cuts mean to the country. Our school district is going to be in $2 million deficit because they arent' getting money promised by the government, all so we could save around $30 in taxes. and you know who's gonna get blamed for it, the school. Why didn't you guys become NCLB compliant? we were even going to give you $350,000 for it.. Maybe because it would cost our school $750,000 to do it.

I could careless about your values or ideals, Cheney/ bush (in that order) are going rape the country financially, so if you really cared and hoped for the best of the country than you might have voted McCain.
Nov 3rd, 2004 06:06 PM
Ant10708
Quote:
Originally Posted by mburbank
For those of you who are younger than I am and think I'm overdoing, tat nothing major will change, that this is simply bitterness and paranoia, we have something in common. We both hope most sincerely you are right about that, and I am wrong.
I think you are overreacting but who knows. Time shall tell but I think people moving out of the country due to the outcome of the election is a little much.
Nov 3rd, 2004 05:09 PM
Ronnie Raygun Max, I'm truly sorry you feel so down about it......

I like you want everything to work out for the best.
Nov 3rd, 2004 03:22 PM
HickMan Great, another four years of my brother (Immortal Goat) bitching in my ear about THE TYRANT.
Nov 3rd, 2004 02:27 PM
mburbank Bin Laden's current stated strategy is to bankrupt us, they way they did the soviets.

Republicans will never believe this, because A. Osama Bin Laden is a sack of shit, which is true

and B.) They believe Reagan won the cold war, and go no credit whatsoever to the economic implosion of Russia, much if it caused by Afghanistan, or Gorbachev's noble attempt to allow Russia to change as opposed to initiating the end of the world.

I think Bin Laden's strategy is dead on, and I think we're well on our way. W will be safely out of office long before we are so deep in debt we can no longer function as a country. Republicans will find a way to believe the blame lies with Democrats, who have wielded little or no power for the last for years, will wield less during the next four, and once the Supreme court is packed may well have none at all, see the redistrricting of Texas as a precursor.

America is a pendulum. I had hoped it had swung far enough to the right to begin swinging back, but hope was not enough. I fear strongly though, that by the time the pendulum does begins it's inevitable swing backward, the damage we've done oursel;ves and the world will be truly staggering.

I now begin my countdown to Neocon implosion, which I said months ago I believed would take place if Bush won. Their arrogance which was without precedent before they had a popular victory under their belts will no reach a level of Hubris of the kind Rome knew shortly before it's fall. There will be some here who will think I'll take pleasure in this, and as my character is not so strong as I might like, it's quite possible I will. But in my current moment of clarity, I know there is no pleasure to be taken in the sorrow, death, destruction and betrayal I honestly believe is coming.

For those of you who are younger than I am and think I'm overdoing, tat nothing major will change, that this is simply bitterness and paranoia, we have something in common. We both hope most sincerely you are right about that, and I am wrong.

I ask only that you all, whatever stripe, remeber this time at least what the man said on his way to the white house. He promised to cut the deficit in half. He promised Freedom was on the march. He promised there would be no draft. He said he was a good steward of the environment. He swore he was a friend to the middle class, and that the privitization of Social security would not be a disaster.

The Republican party, who has always enjoyed the role of underdog, now has more centralized consolidated raw power than at any time in my life. For at verty, very least two years, far more probably all four and beyond, the Republicans are responsible for our country. Be honest. Hold them accountable. Never forget, they serve us.

For those of us who are now lesser Americans, don't give up. Our vission of America is valid, the things we believe make America great are in danger and the moment when things seem hopeless is the last time to give up hope. There may come a moment, as it did for my great grandparents in Europe when the best you could do for the future was run with the clothes on your back. That moment has in now way yet arrived.

We're the underdog now. Undeniably. Rush and Ann will ahve to find another song to sing. America loves and underdog. Don't forget it.

Damn. I'll leave this here, but I'm going to give it it's own thread. It made me feel better.
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