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Sep 19th, 2003 04:44 PM
Brandon edit
Sep 19th, 2003 04:42 PM
Perndog You don't have to be a teenager to sound like one.

EDIT: I'm not continuing the insult, I'm explaining it, because I wasn't assuming you were a teen in the first place. I'm done until next time we're in the same discussion and you sound stupid.
Sep 19th, 2003 04:26 PM
Bennett my can-opener resents that.
Sep 19th, 2003 04:23 PM
mburbank Vinth and Perndog thitting in a tree
A-G-R-E-E-ING,
First comes common ground
Then comes alliance
Vince is as thtupid as a kitchen appliance!
Sep 19th, 2003 04:21 PM
Brandon
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Originally Posted by Perndog
Damn it, Vince, you made me agree with you. Brandon has all the attitude of a typical teenage atheist, and that is not meant as a compliment. I can't believe I used to be one of them.
So sorry I don't agree with you. :/

EDIT: And by the way, I'm not a teenager.
Sep 19th, 2003 04:19 PM
Perndog Damn it, Vince, you made me agree with you. Brandon has all the attitude of a typical teenage atheist, and that is not meant as a compliment. I can't believe I used to be one of them.
Sep 19th, 2003 04:17 PM
mburbank Ants don't have testicles so that statement is meaningless.

I think Vinth is funny because he's all fucked up and stupid. If you don't agree with me I hope you are prepared to face the 'concquenences' and enjoy eternal damnation becuase that's what my new religion says and no one can prove it's wrong so maybe it's right so watch OUT!

A zit on an Ants nut. My God, you are such a retard. Seriously. Can you feed yourself? Can I hang a shower curtain around you and charge the neighborhood kids a quarter to look at you? If not, would you consider dressing in fur gym shorts and allowing me to disply you as a wild Amazon boy?
Sep 19th, 2003 04:11 PM
Brandon edit
Sep 19th, 2003 04:09 PM
VinceZeb Brandon, you are about as relevant as a zit on an ant's nut compared to God. We all are. So you go and puff out your little chicken-chest and tell God "We ain't gonna take it, anymore!"

Then I would prepare for everlasting torment in Hell.
Sep 19th, 2003 04:08 PM
AChimp If I ever met God, I'd laugh at his antennae and ask to touch his raygun.
Sep 19th, 2003 04:06 PM
Brandon edit
Sep 19th, 2003 03:54 PM
Perndog You must have a huge masochistic streak. If I knew there was a God and so did everyone else, I'd thinking anyone who didn't bow and pray was a complete idiot. Think about it rationally for a second, is it really better to burn for eternity just because you want to be contrary?
Sep 19th, 2003 03:50 PM
Brandon edit
Sep 19th, 2003 03:25 PM
Brandon Clearly this discussion isn't going anywhere.
Sep 19th, 2003 03:14 PM
Perndog
Re: YAY

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Originally Posted by Vibecrewangel
Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
The egg came first. All chickens come from eggs, but not all eggs come from chickens. Simple, no?
Sep 19th, 2003 03:09 PM
Perndog I stand by what I said. If a god exists, he is able to do what he wants, and that includes ignoring humans who don't think he makes sense.

Bad assumption number three: Assuming that any god = God as described by Christians. You hear the word, you turn it into that name and ascribe to it all of the qualities that Christians say he has. Assuming God exists, what Christians say may be an accurate picture of what he really is, but they may just as easily be very wrong.

Bad assumption number four: Tying in with the Christian God, this crap about perfection. It's terrible rhetoric to say in the same breath that God is perfect and that people can't grasp perfection and then try to define the word. Shouldn't God be in charge of definitions? Maybe perfect for him means selfish and vindictive, not generous and forgiving.

Bad assumption number five: anthropomorphizing a god, particularly giving him traits of specific humans. If I were a god, once again, and I valued the minds of some people, that would not drive me to seek public worship; if people were worshiping me, I could just as easily watch them from afar, and that would give me equal satisfaction. Once again, a god may think just like a human, but he may not, and if he does think like a human, it is very important to account for the enormous variation in human personalities.

Bad assumption number six: God cannot be a hypocrite. Why not? You ask why would God impose such moral laws against vanity, etc.? How about because he has the right to make rules for humans, even if he himself is above the law. "Do as I say, not as I do." Or think of a scientific experiment; "what happens when I tell them this?"
Sep 19th, 2003 03:07 PM
kellychaos Cromagnan Chicken!
Sep 19th, 2003 03:05 PM
Vibecrewangel
YAY

kelly

Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
Sep 19th, 2003 02:56 PM
kellychaos We made him. We can change him anytime we want!
Sep 19th, 2003 02:53 PM
Brandon
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Why would God impose such moral laws against vanity, ect when he doesn't adhere to them Himself ... and he's supposed to be perfect. Contradiction in the definition of God?
Didn't you hear, Kelly? GOD IS NOT LOGICAL! STOP TRYING TO MAKE HIM FIT YOUR COOKIE-CUTTER, HEATHEN!
Sep 19th, 2003 02:50 PM
kellychaos If God really cared about what we think, wouldn't he show up at the Sands in Vegas doing weekly appearances so that he can be publicly adored? There'll be question and answer sessions at the end using a roving, microphoned assistant in the audience. All audience members that ask questions he don't like will be struck with a hail of sulphur and brimstone ... or lightning ... your preference.

Why would God impose such moral laws against vanity, ect when he doesn't adhere to them Himself ... and he's supposed to be perfect. Contradiction in the definition of God?
Sep 19th, 2003 02:49 PM
Brandon
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God is not logical. "Petty" emotions are all we humans are able to relate to. We assign God feelings and thoughts because we have no other way of expresssing him. Sounds like you're mad at God because he doesn't fit the cookie-cutter mold you want Him to...
What the hell are you talking about? I'm going by the often contradictory Christian conception of God. That conception is: all powerful creator above everything human who nevertheless feels very human anger whenever he is faced with nonbelievers.

I suppose it's not worth arguing on rational grounds. Theists can always claim victory on a technicality with "God is not logical."
Sep 19th, 2003 02:39 PM
O71394658
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But why would he?

I can see the Jewish conception of God being concerned with human thought, since he was primarily a tribal deity and a more "fleshed-out," anthropomorphic figure, but an all-knowing, all-powerful creator of the universe? Logically, wouldn't such a being be above pretty emotions?
God is not logical. "Petty" emotions are all we humans are able to relate to. We assign God feelings and thoughts because we have no other way of expresssing him. Sounds like you're mad at God because he doesn't fit the cookie-cutter mold you want Him to...
Sep 19th, 2003 02:27 PM
Vibecrewangel
God

Doesn't it seem likely that God would show itself to people in a form they would understand? God would put on a different outfit and face to try and teach each culture the same things. Because really, at the core all religions teach basically the same ideas.

The whole "my religion is right and yours isn't" issue is quite pointless since if there is a God and if there is only one....then um...well, what are we arguing about again? Oh yeah....that's right who gets to name and describe it. How vain.....

Do you really think that 1000s of years ago the people of a deep jungle tribe would understand or worship the Christian God? Don't you think God would know this and instead show them something that would make sense?

Heck...for that matter.....Jesus, Mohamed and Buddha may all have been the voice of God on Earth designed to reach a specific people. They all tried to pass on similar wisdom.
I find it sad, but I am sure that if there was a second coming of Christ most people would miss it because they weren't really interested in what he would have to say, but more concerned with how he looked.
Sep 19th, 2003 02:04 PM
Spooky This could probably be considered off topic, but the way this works, isn't EVERYONE going to hell (or whatever, depending on the religion), considering no person can believe in more than one faith?
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