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Oct 26th, 2005 09:07 AM
KevinTheOmnivore If the mob were truly outraged over the neo-nazis, then they'd go after the nazis. They wouldn't necessarily go after convenient stores.

And Kelly, btw, pockets of Toledo, like other parts of Ohio, are in poor economic shape.
Oct 25th, 2005 04:43 PM
ziggytrix
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Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore
So my question is does a mob get truly this outraged over a couple of geeks wearing swastikas and waving their dumb white power flags, or was this more like the whole straw and camel thing...?
Why not both? You'd only need relatively few people who have had all they can stand and once a small mob is formed, it really doesn't take much for more to join in.
Oct 25th, 2005 03:59 PM
kellychaos Maybe one might have to know more about the socio-economic climate of Toledo itself? Although I'm loath to give too much credit to them, perhaps the paraders researched their target well. :shrug
Oct 25th, 2005 09:20 AM
KevinTheOmnivore
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Originally Posted by Immortal Goat
I just don't understand why, when something like this happens, violence is the main form of "protest". Surely people must realize that this is exactly what the neo-nazis and KKK members want.
Right, and had there been a well organized counter-protest, it probably would've been peaceful. This however wasn't a demonstration, it was a mob.

So my question is does a mob get truly this outraged over a couple of geeks wearing swastikas and waving their dumb white power flags, or was this more like the whole straw and camel thing...?
Oct 25th, 2005 07:19 AM
Pub Lover
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Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore
Mission accomplished!
You're welcome.
Oct 24th, 2005 11:39 PM
Lye I love race riots.

On your mark. Get set. Riot!
Oct 24th, 2005 09:58 PM
Immortal Goat I just don't understand why, when something like this happens, violence is the main form of "protest". Surely people must realize that this is exactly what the neo-nazis and KKK members want. Any bit of ammo that gets sent there way will definitely be used. I just don't get why they (the protesters) can't just line up in the streets in front of the paraders, not moving, but not harming them in any way. That way, if violence DOES break out, it is entirely the fault of the racists bigots.
Oct 24th, 2005 08:50 PM
Mr. Vagiclean
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Originally Posted by kellychaos
Chicken or the egg?

Are the gangs more at fault for taking the mere threat of a racist parade and escalating it into violence even though the parade never happened ...

OR

Are the rascist paraders more responsible for originating the planning the parade, planting the seed and inciting the violence.

I'm far from trying to take away anyone's civil rights but, as in Spiderman, "With great power comes great responsibility.". Not to mention that the Constitution only guarantees the right of "peaceable assembly" and the paraders intentions hardly seemed peacable in this instance.

The old civics class analogy about "screaming fire in a crowded movie theater" comes to mind. Yes, you have civill rights but inherent in those rights is the expectation that you'll use common sense.
fuck feed the chicken its goddamn egg and EAT it, who cares what came first when there is no love
Oct 24th, 2005 05:10 PM
ItalianStereotype it's the same thing that happened in Memphis a few years back. the KKK held a rally downtown and protesters turned over cars, assaulted police officers, and robbed and looted stores. there was no semblance of civility there, nor of peaceful protest. despite their intentions, the neo-Nazis did have a permit to hold their rally and the protesters only brought themselves down to their level. I suspect, however, that most of them had every intention of causing trouble and merely used the Nazi rally as an excuse.
Oct 24th, 2005 04:53 PM
kellychaos Chicken or the egg?

Are the gangs more at fault for taking the mere threat of a racist parade and escalating it into violence even though the parade never happened ...

OR

Are the rascist paraders more responsible for originating the planning the parade, planting the seed and inciting the violence.

I'm far from trying to take away anyone's civil rights but, as in Spiderman, "With great power comes great responsibility.". Not to mention that the Constitution only guarantees the right of "peaceable assembly" and the paraders intentions hardly seemed peacable in this instance.

The old civics class analogy about "screaming fire in a crowded movie theater" comes to mind. Yes, you have civill rights but inherent in those rights is the expectation that you'll use common sense.
Oct 24th, 2005 03:53 PM
Guitar Woman FUCK YEAH, NOW WE TALKIN'
THIS IS NOW THE ONLY OFFICIAL "WHAT ARE YOU POLITICIZING RIGHT NOW" THREAD
Oct 24th, 2005 03:52 PM
KevinTheOmnivore What are you POLITICIZing right now??
Oct 24th, 2005 03:43 PM
Guitar Woman Not yet we have to make it about something else

How bout we make it one of those "What are you ___________ing right now" threads? The Political forum could use one.
Oct 24th, 2005 01:18 PM
KevinTheOmnivore
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Originally Posted by Pub Lover
Hey Kev, what about us other members of the peanut gallery? I assure you that Esouhlim and myself can ruin your thread just as fast.
Mission accomplished!
Oct 24th, 2005 11:31 AM
Pub Lover Well, not everyone can be as popular as you, my dear.
Oct 24th, 2005 11:28 AM
Guitar Woman Does anyone?
Oct 24th, 2005 11:23 AM
Pub Lover Clement isn't so bad, give a few months & he'll be the new ArrowX.

Wait... Do I like ArrowX? :/
Oct 24th, 2005 11:18 AM
Guitar Woman Also more efficiently than clement
Oct 24th, 2005 11:15 AM
Pub Lover Hey Kev, what about us other members of the peanut gallery? I assure you that Esouhlim and myself can ruin your thread just as fast.
Oct 24th, 2005 11:00 AM
Guitar Woman
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Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore
only Jonathan Clement and Guitar Woman may post here now.
Clement? what
Oct 24th, 2005 09:32 AM
KevinTheOmnivore You're all racists.
Oct 23rd, 2005 02:29 AM
Immortal Goat Strangely enough, I live in Ohio, and this is the first time I have heard of it.
Oct 23rd, 2005 01:01 AM
ItalianStereotype LEZ GO ROB SOME SHITZ
Oct 23rd, 2005 12:55 AM
AngPur
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Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore
You guys are both banned from this thread. only Jonathan Clement and Guitar Woman may post here now.
Nazi...
Oct 22nd, 2005 09:02 PM
KevinTheOmnivore You guys are both banned from this thread. only Jonathan Clement and Guitar Woman may post here now.
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