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| May 27th, 2003 01:06 PM | |||||
| HitlerWasReich |
http://www.ncpa.org/pi/internat/pdinter/april98c.html cuba has good literacy but that doesn't mean they aren't poor. They live in daily poverty and teaching them to read and providing care doesn't mean they have money. Provide a link discussing the poverty or hunger in Cuba, economics not education. A good literacy rate and healthcare system do not necessarily mean Cuba is without poverty. Show me an inner-city school in our American paradise that doesn't need the same thing. our schools may not have top of the line computers in every room but they aren't nearly as bad as you say. Have you seen them? Been in one?. The real improvement in our schools needs to come from student motivation and parents actually making sure their children do their work. Many parents feel that education is the school's responsibility and that they don't have to do anything. Not everyone is like this but those who care are the ones who succeed. http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues...l/1/index.html I believe this story tells more about the attittudes of some lower class families than about African Americans in particular. The doctor said that he treated about fifteen burn cases every day in the course of an eight-hour shift, often children who were trying to light loose gunpowder. Like kids playing with fireworks, not the armies job. Many people knew there would be looting and retallion as prisoners in a repressed regime vented their frustrations on the ones who had wronged them and the institutions that had taken their livelihood I for one never made such promises A shame most liberal pundits and human rights groups did. as well as the pending risk of disease and famine I am too lazy to provide a link, but the U.S. saved 500,00 Afganis by providing food and distribution during an expected winter famine last year. Castro is merely playing the game that has been started by the U.S. The U.S. is merely playing the game everyone else does. Castro has done things like this before, the U.S. is not neccessary for his repression. Ah politics. Rumsfeld's startegy was to remind the world that we too have weapons of mass distraction. If you use chemical weapons we might just use a nuclear weapon. Everyone called Reagon crazy but he finally ended the cold war. Was a nuke used in Iraq? No. Did the "Gulf War II" end with a surprisingly bloodless conclusion ? Yes. Have we scared the shit out of Syria, North Korea and Iran? Yes. |
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| May 26th, 2003 09:26 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Re: Not vince..... but Cuba sucks Quote:
According to the CIA World Fact book (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/cu.html), Cuba is quite similar to us in their rate of literacy, their level of infant mortality, as well as their life expectancy at birth. Furthermore, according to the World Health Organization, compared to the U.S., who according to 1995 numbers averaged 279 physicians per every 100,000 people, Cuba (according to 1998 figures) averaged roughly 530 physicians for every 100,00 people, and that's with a considerably smaller population that that of the U.S. http://www3.who.int/whosis/health_pe..._personnel.cfm Look, don't get me wrong, the point wasn't how much better Cuba is than America. I would never agree to such a notion. The argument was based upon Vince's unwillingness to even hold a remotely mature conversation on the POSSIBILITY that Cuba might do some things right. The article about poverty and stuff there is touching, but statistically speaking, doesn't add up. It's also unfair, b/c as I have already stated, you can go to an unlimited amount of public schools here in America that have the very same problems. Quote:
 I agree with you fully, and luckily progressive watch dog groups such as Human Rights Watch also agree with you, and continue to exploit this issue. However, much like India tried to use the war on terror as a justification for a "pre-emptive" strike on Pakistan, Castro is merely playing the game that has been started by the U.S. It wasn't a couple of Cuban "terrorists" with a stolen boat who were responsible for 9/11, anymore than all of these Iraqi "terrorists" who are really Palestinian suicide bombers responsible for 9/11. Quote:
Violence isn't the only problem. OXFAM points out another issue, mainly being the lack of needed supplies in Iraq's over crowded hospitals (http://www.oxfamamerica.org/news/art5201.html). Luckily we won't want to make the same mistakes we have with Afghanistan, so the U.S. will probably be pumping aid into Iraq (already more money per head going into Iraq than there is right now in Afghanistan). The war in Iraq is far from over, my friend. Quote:
Also, you're missing a key point. Earlier this year, before the war, Rumsfeld said the U.S. wasn't ruling out the use of WMD on Baghdad. A NUKE ON BAGHDAD!? Could you imagine the outcry???? Why do you think our military was so careful and diligent (sp?)?? Do you think it's because they have a general love and feeling of concern for the enemy? Screw that, it's kill or be killed, right? I for one, as do many others, attribute our nations concern during this war TO the peace movement. So, you shouldn't be chastizing anti-war protestors for not "producing the numbers," rather, you should be thanking us for preventing them. |
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| May 26th, 2003 03:35 PM | |||||
| HitlerWasReich |
Not vince..... but Cuba sucks Cubans in America talk of Cuba as the worst place on earth, yet they have a fantastic health care system and practically zero poverty http://www.csuchico.edu/pub/inside/a...6/03.cuba.html a professors account of Cuba's child and educational systems, notice the constant theme of poverty. Still, it is very pro-cuban so one wonders what a more skeptical eye could have seen in the average Cuban's "happiness". His end claim about racism is interesting regarding this: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...2/170022.shtml I think that the Cubans have looked at what is happening in Iraq and have concluded that the United States will not be restrained by international law and international institutions," said Cuba specialist Wayne Smith, who was the top U.S. diplomat in Havana during former President Jimmy Carter's administration. Carter's administration had some of the worst foreign policies of any president. Castro is using the war as an excuse to clean house. The U.S. will not attack Cuba, Castro is smart enough to realize this and is using his "battle against provocations" as an excuse to murder opponents. No one believes that the current war against terrorism could be applied to Cuba, they don't have oil after all. The point in the original radio piece was this "How will leaving Saddam in power promote peace?" It won't. The current statistcis even from left biased groups are what 10.000? WHERE'S MY 500,000? I demand more dead brown skinned babies. This war so far has killed far less than Saddam has in the past or would have in the future. Whether we can win the peace remains to be seen, but I hardly consider people who promised me 100's of thousands dead as prophetic or even competent. The main complaint seems to be about over-turning International Institutions. Organizations mired in corruption, slow acting bureaucracies, and idealogical splits. Is Libya fit to give advice on human rights? How many other nations pursue UN resolutions to declare war? How many unelected dictatorships are members of the UN? |
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| May 25th, 2003 11:06 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore | We've grown tired of shooting fish in a bucket, but you should be careful, next target may be you. :P | ||||
| May 25th, 2003 11:03 PM | |||||
| The_voice_of_reason | zeb must be doing some in depth reasearch. i suggest we all mock him in the other threads...i guess he kinda mocks himself. but anyway mocking him should arouse his id enough that his primal male instincts need justification in his genetic superiority, that will cause some of the most heart felt blabbery ever. | ||||
| May 25th, 2003 08:52 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Come on Vince, show us how smart you are..... | ||||
| Apr 30th, 2003 12:21 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Howdy, Vince! | ||||
| Apr 16th, 2003 09:58 AM | |||||
| mburbank | HEY! I JUST REALIZED YOU NEVER POSTED THAT SUBMARINE LETTER! | ||||
| Apr 15th, 2003 11:56 PM | |||||
| The_Rorschach |
Hi Vince!! 
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| Apr 15th, 2003 11:34 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Hi Vince!!
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| Apr 13th, 2003 02:34 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Here Vince, I'll help ya!!! http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer washingtonpost.com Castro Defends Crackdown on Dissenters By ANITA SNOW The Associated Press Saturday, April 12, 2003; 8:16 PM HAVANA - President Fidel Castro is defending his crackdown on dissent, shrugging off international criticism and vowing to defend Cuba against destabilizing moves by the United States. "We are now immersed in a battle against provocations that are trying to move us toward conflict and military aggression by the United States," Castro said. He did not directly refer to Friday's execution of three men convicted of hijacking a ferry to get to the United States, in a Friday night speech broadcast on state television. Nor did he mention the lengthy sentences given 75 dissidents convicted of helping U.S. diplomats undermine Cuba's socialist system. Though both measures were roundly condemned by world governments and human rights groups, the communist leader made it clear that he considers his country to be under U.S. attack and that he will do whatever it takes to ensure his system remains intact. "We have been defending ourselves for 44 years and have always been willing to fight until the end," Castro said. "If someday they make us disappear from the map, we will die with the greatest dignity in the world." Some longtime Cuba observers believe Castro is alarmed by the U.S. government's military action in Iraq and worries his country could be next. "I think that the Cubans have looked at what is happening in Iraq and have concluded that the United States will not be restrained by international law and international institutions," said Cuba specialist Wayne Smith, who was the top U.S. diplomat in Havana during former President Jimmy Carter's administration. Smith said he considered such a strike unlikely but "the Cubans still need international support from the Europeans, from Canada" and what they are doing is "only shooting themselves in the foot." The Cuban government's harsh measures began March 18 - the eve of the launch of the war on Iraq. That night, a statement read on state television announced that a roundup of "mercenaries" was underway. Over the following three weeks, authorities arrested, tried and sentenced 75 of its most vocal critics to terms ranging from 6 to 28 years. Authorities accused the independent journalists, opposition party leaders, human rights advocates and pro-democracy activists of receiving money from and working with U.S. diplomats to harm Cuba's economic and political systems - charges that the dissidents and Americans deny. The crackdown came amid a rash of successful hijackings of planes and a ferry to the United States, which Cuba blames on U.S. policies that it says encourage illegal migration. On Friday, a firing squad executed three men arrested in the unsuccessful armed hijacking of a passenger ferry on April 2. Four others were sentenced to life in prison. © 2003 The Associated Press |
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| Apr 7th, 2003 01:04 AM | |||||
| Zebra 3 |
WTF!?!  :/ - She's staring at me. |
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| Apr 6th, 2003 11:45 PM | |||||
| mburbank | bumpitty bump bump. | ||||
| Apr 5th, 2003 05:48 PM | |||||
| The_Rorschach |
"You are attacking me personally rather than attacking the subject/content of what I said. Just like a good lil' Conservative." Some of us are capable of doing both  Anyway, This entire thing is golden if just for the first two responses by Kevin. I'm not sure how I've managed to miss this thread for so long. On this topic of Cuba: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/05/op...html?tntemail0 The World's Other Tyrants, Still at Work By ARYEH NEIER ith international attention focused on Iraq, despots are seizing the opportunity to get rid of their opposition ? real or imagined. In Zimbabwe, Cuba and Belarus, independent journalists, opposition leaders and human rights advocates have been thrown in prison. . . . (edited out the superfluous) In Cuba, the war is giving Fidel Castro cover for an unprecedented assault. Over the past two weeks his state security agents have arrested about 80 dissidents. Prosecutors are seeking life sentences for 12 of those detained and 10- to 30-year prison terms for the rest. They include the economist Marta Beatriz Roque, the poet and journalist Raúl Rivero and the opposition labor activist Pedro Pablo Álvarez. The list of arrests reads like a Who's Who of Cuban civil society ? with the obvious exception of those who were already in jail when the roundup started. They are the unsung heroes of a movement to liberate the minds of Cuba. But the names do not mean much to a world public now concentrated on becoming more and more expert on the latest in military equipment and on the geography of Iraq. . . . (more edited, but the article is well worth reading in full.) |
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| Apr 5th, 2003 05:37 PM | |||||
| ItalianStereotype | its purdy. | ||||
| Apr 5th, 2003 03:43 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Anybody wanna talk about Cuba? | ||||
| Apr 5th, 2003 03:10 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Hi. | ||||
| Apr 1st, 2003 04:11 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore | bump. | ||||
| Mar 31st, 2003 07:21 AM | |||||
| FS |
Give him a minute  those yo momma jokes don't write themselves, you know.
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| Mar 30th, 2003 06:22 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Waiting. | ||||
| Mar 25th, 2003 10:28 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Well, I guess something about Cuba. However, it's not like I disagreed with you about Cuba, you just refuse to believe Cuba does anything good/right. So I guess prove that. Below is an article that proves another point of mine. Every nation, even Iraq, has its spectrum of ideology. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4633543,00.html Iraqi exiles put patriotism first as they return home to fight invaders Jonathan Steele in Saida Zeinab, Syria Wednesday March 26, 2003 The Guardian Young Iraqi exiles are rushing home to defend their country in growing numbers, even though many strongly oppose Saddam Hussein's regime. A fatwa issued by the highest religious leaders of Shia Islam, calling on Iraqis to "fight the aggressors and stand against the invasion", will accelerate an already strong trend for young Iraqi exiles to go home to defend their country. Nowhere is this more visible than in the warren of narrow streets in Saida Zeinab, a heavily Iraqi Shia neighbourhood of the Syrian capital. "I'm against Saddam but I'm not for America," said a young man yesterday behind a shop counter full of music CDs and cassette tapes of speeches and lectures by Shia scholars. Until two months ago Abdullah, 25, (who did not want to give his real name) was a student of engineering from Kerbala, a town south of Baghdad which contains one of Shia Islam's holiest mosques. The tapes he can sell openly in Syria are banned in Iraq, where Abdullah passed them out clandestinely to friends until he felt the risk of being jailed was getting too great. Now he is planning to go home. The patriotic drive to defend his country has overcome his hatred of Saddam's regime, he said, though there are other factors too - peer group pressure and anxiety about his parents' well-being. "Many of my friends have gone back already in the last few days," he said. "Even if I just dig a trench by our house and sit in it with a gun, I might kill one of the invaders. They're coming down in parachutes so you might hit one." Round the corner Mohammed Ali Musa, 23, serves tea in a small room dominated by a television set on a high shelf. The customers, mainly middle-aged men, sit in gloomy silence as al-Jazeera beams the latest news of the war. The normal morning chatter has been replaced by pensive sipping and the rattle of worry beads. "I'm planning to go back in three days' time," says Mohammed, another Iraqi Shia who left his wife and parents in Nassiriya two months ago in the hope of earning a better wage in Syria. "I want to cut the Americans' throats and throw them to the dogs," he adds. "If I'd known it would have been like this, I would never have left Iraq. I just pray to God I can go back and make a contribution." In spite of the young men's eagerness to go home, there is an obstacle. A US missile struck a bus carrying 37 Syrian workers coming home from Iraq on Sunday, killing five and wounding 10. Now few drivers want to take the risk of travelling the route. Close to a hundred thousand marchers brought central Damascus to a standstill yesterday as the anti-war sentiment in the nation grew. Young Iraqi men in Jordan, which like Syria hosts several hundred thousand exiles, have also been flooding back home since the war started. Jordanian records show that 5,284 Iraqis have crossed the desert border overland into Iraq since March 16. Iraq's consular office in Amman issued at least 3,000 temporary passports for exiled Iraqis in the war's first three days. The level of resistance from Shia Muslims in particular has been one of the biggest shocks for US and British forces. They predominate in southern Iraq and have a long history of being repressed by Saddam Hussein's regime. They were expected to be natural allies. "People remember the coalition's position at the end of the first Gulf war in 1991 when they left the field and gave a green light to Saddam to destroy our uprising. They still don't trust the Americans," said Bayan Jabor, of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, one of the opposition groups with which the United States deals. While middle-aged Iraqi opposition politicians comfort themselves with an image of a cautiously neutral population, the mood of the younger generation gives a different signal. What moves them is not the past but today's graphic news bulletins of bombs and invaders in foreign colours. Thousands are taking sides. They are opting for patriotism, however much they hate Saddam . Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 |
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| Mar 25th, 2003 12:51 AM | |||||
| VinceZeb | I am allowing you to choose it. I can go with either one as long as I got the time. | ||||
| Mar 25th, 2003 12:41 AM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Do whatever makes you most comfortable.
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| Mar 25th, 2003 12:10 AM | |||||
| VinceZeb |
If you want me to give you figures and facts, I do have to do a little looking for when you actually used some that were falsehoods. That may take me a bit, since I have to get my sources straight. Now, if you want me to take the opinions you have formed and prove to you why some are half-truths are all and all lies, I can do that as well. Would be quickier but not grand slam hitting like I would want. More like an ground rule double that knocks in a couple runs. |
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| Mar 24th, 2003 11:57 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
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