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| Jul 3rd, 2004 05:43 PM | ||
| Sethomas |
Totally, since nobody cares about it and all. 
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| Jul 3rd, 2004 04:05 PM | ||
| ranxer | Damn, i wish we could get abortion out of political races! | |
| Jul 2nd, 2004 04:47 PM | ||
| Brandon |
<-- Has an Irish Catholic, solidly Democrat family.  Quote:
Shouldn't some defender of the faith out in California be denouncing Governor Arnold right about now? Did anyone ever give Rudy Giuliani a tough time? |
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| Jul 2nd, 2004 03:46 PM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
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With all of that said, I just wish that these select few Catholics who have decided to venture into politics would be consistent. Condemn Kerry and Bush for where they drift from the Church's teachings. Go after the Republican Catholics in Congress who votedfor war and attack social service programs every chance they get, AND go after pro-choice Democrats, ya know? |
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| Jul 2nd, 2004 03:28 PM | ||
| kellychaos | If Drudge can be trusted, Kerry's endorsement of Hillary as his running partner is going to lose him his election. | |
| Jul 2nd, 2004 03:15 PM | ||
| Sethomas | Pro-choice or not, I would much rather Kerry win than Bush. My elation for this situation was merely that Catholic politicians should indeed come to terms with their faith and actually live it, or else abandon using it publicly altogether. Basically, I think the democratic party is missing a pro-life corner. I'd be glad if that were to change. But if this issue ultimately costs Kerry the election, which I highly doubt, then my opinion would be vastly different. | |
| Jul 2nd, 2004 03:07 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
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| Jul 2nd, 2004 02:52 PM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
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While I agree with Seth on some things, I think this attack against Kerry and the Dems in Congress is partisan bullshit pushed by Rwpublicans who probably think Catholocism is a weird, flesh eating cult. What about the Catholic Republicans in Congress who voted for the war in Iraq? What about the Catholic governors who allow their states to execute prisoners? The Bishops here in the United States have allowed themselves to become politicized, and they have essentially become the tools of Far-Right extremists who find them to be no more than "useful idiots." |
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| Jul 2nd, 2004 01:11 PM | ||
| Miss Modular | The question we should ask is, "Does John Kerry float on water?" | |
| Jul 2nd, 2004 11:52 AM | ||
| Cosmo Electrolux |
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| Jul 1st, 2004 03:45 PM | ||
| kellychaos | You have to pick your religious battle wisely. What are the family and friends of an abused altar boy as compared to the constituency of a nation? | |
| Jul 1st, 2004 03:43 PM | ||
| Sethomas |
As bad as sodomy is, it doesn't end innocent lives. And the pedophile controversy is so 2002. And if you want a technical answer, sodomy is a personal sin and as such is strictly the business of the sinner and his confessor, so it would be impossible to indict him on it. Things used to be different in that regard, but not since the 19th century if memory serves. |
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| Jul 1st, 2004 03:37 PM | ||
| mburbank | I think it's great that this fella has the time to charge Kerry with Heresy (hey, that almost rhymes!) for taking communion while being pro choice, and yet he was too busy to file Heresy charges against any of the priests who took communion while being pro forced sodomy with boys. I think it shows his priorities are straight. | |
| Jul 1st, 2004 03:29 PM | ||
| Sethomas |
As a pro-life, democrat Catholic...
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| Jul 1st, 2004 02:56 PM | ||
| kellychaos | Oh how the mighty have fallen! Trying to deflect denunciation has moved from enduring third (and forth?) degree burns while gasping your last breath in agonizing blasphemy to swatting at a large political fly. I'm not sure that I want Kerry to be my martyr, though ... and I'm not even catholic ... suprise! | |
| Jul 1st, 2004 02:09 PM | ||
| kahljorn | Like timothy leary, I too hope someday to be prosecuted for my ideas and thoughts. | |
| Jul 1st, 2004 01:58 PM | ||
| ziggytrix | Catholic != Republican | |
| Jul 1st, 2004 01:56 PM | ||
| Cosmo Electrolux | fucking republicans will stop and nothing to further their shabby little causes.... | |
| Jul 1st, 2004 01:51 PM | ||
| ScruU2wice |
I kept reading it as "here-say" instead of "heresy"
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| Jul 1st, 2004 01:37 PM | ||
| mburbank | I'm willing to bet this heresy is a lot more widespread than just John Kerry. I think it's time for an Inquisition. That really cleared out the heretics last time around, and it was great publicity for the church too. | |
| Jul 1st, 2004 01:32 PM | ||
| Anonymous | THIS SHOULD EVEN THE ODDS OF FAHRENHEIT 9/11 :hat | |
| Jul 1st, 2004 01:12 PM | ||
| Brandon |
Do they still burn people at the stake? Unreal. Just unreal. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...1108-2541r.htm Kerry cited in Catholic heresy case By Julia Dunn THE WASHINGTON TIMES A Catholic lawyer has filed heresy charges against Sen. John Kerry with the Archdiocese of Boston, accusing the Democratic presidential candidate of bringing "most serious scandal to the American public" by receiving Holy Communion as a pro-choice Catholic. The 18-page document was sent to the archdiocese June 14, but released to the public only yesterday by Marc Balestrieri, a Los Angeles-based canon lawyer and an assistant judge with the Archdiocese of Los Angeles' tribunal, an ecclesiastical court. "Heresy is a public, ecclesiastical crime," said Mr. Balestrieri, 33, whose complaint is posted at www.defide.com. "It affects entire communities. It is one of the greatest sins you can commit." If the Boston Archdiocese, which is refusing comment on the case, decided to press heresy charges, the Massachusetts senator could be excommunicated. "My goal is his repentance, not excommunication," Mr. Balestrieri said. The charges do not seek monetary damages. The Rev. Arthur Espelage, executive coordinator for the Canon Law Society in Alexandria, said a Catholic layman can legitimately bring a case against another layman in a church court. The charges, known in church parlance as a "denunciation," are similar to a criminal complaint in secular law. But "this is really unique," he said. "I have never heard of a case like this being processed before." The charges must be filed in the diocese where Mr. Kerry lives. If the Archdiocese of Boston rejects the case, Mr. Balestrieri can appeal it to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in Rome. Father Espelage said church officials, not politicians, are the ones usually accused of heresy. But this suit may change that. "It's as if someone has launched the nuclear missile now," the priest said. "I'd suspect there will be communication between the [Boston] Archdiocese and the Holy See on this." A spokeswoman for Mr. Kerry refused comment because the campaign had not seen the document. Mr. Balestrieri said he filed the heresy charge — plus an additional complaint charging "harm" to himself as a result of Mr. Kerry's pronouncements on abortion and related issues — because canon law entitles Catholics to "possession of the faith unharmed." "By spreading heresy, he is endangering not just mine by every Catholic's possession of the faith," he said. "I am inviting all baptized Catholics who feel injured by Kerry to join the suit as third parties" by reading the document on the Web site and then sending a certified letter of agreement to the Boston Archdiocese. "People are saying you can be pro-choice and be a good Christian, that it is not contrary to the faith to support aborted murder," Mr. Balestrieri said. "This is a life-threatening heresy." "Bishops have had 31 years [since the Supreme Court made abortion an individual right] to do something on this matter, but they've done nothing," he said. Charles M. Wilson, director of the St. Joseph Foundation in San Antonio, which has filed numerous complaints in church courts across the country on behalf of Catholic laity, doubts the Boston Archdiocese will respond to the case. The weak point of a "denunciation" suit, he said, is that the bishop need not take action. Usually a bishop will first investigate the case and determine whether the charges have substance, Mr. Wilson said, but Archbishop Sean O'Malley of Boston is under no obligation to prosecute the accused. |
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