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| Nov 29th, 2003 09:25 PM | |||
| Perndog | I don't see anything wrong with insensitive pricks. Doesn't hurt me any, and if it offends people then the people who are offended should get some thicker skin. | ||
| Nov 28th, 2003 10:31 PM | |||
| CrazyAmericanScum | Yeah I have to say it is kind of bothersome, but again if you really know you are not guilty of anything make them get the warrent and come back. | ||
| Nov 24th, 2003 06:30 PM | |||
| Drew Katsikas |
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And Ranxer, I never denied the responsiblity of the US. But you don't fucking talk about how bad the US is when your country just got attacked and a bunch of people are dead. Clearly, this lady was an insensitive fuck. You don't talk about that kind of crap until after some kind of emotional recovery period. |
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| Nov 24th, 2003 06:25 PM | |||
| ranxer |
if we werent responsible for 9-11 why was the investigation of who was responsible hindered at every step by the bush administration? why is it still being hindered? hey drew, did ya know that we were the original financiers of the Al Qaeda network? did you know that we helped set up the madrasas for religious extremism? more on the clampdown of free speech today.. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1122-09.htm F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies by Eric Lichtblau WASHINGTON, Nov. 22 — The Federal Bureau of Investigation has collected extensive information on the tactics, training and organization of antiwar demonstrators and has advised local law enforcement officials to report any suspicious activity at protests to its counterterrorism squads, according to interviews and a confidential bureau memorandum. Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union The memorandum, which the bureau sent to local law enforcement agencies last month in advance of antiwar demonstrations in Washington and San Francisco, detailed how protesters have sometimes used "training camps" to rehearse for demonstrations, the Internet to raise money and gas masks to defend against tear gas. The memorandum analyzed lawful activities like recruiting demonstrators, as well as illegal activities like using fake documentation to get into a secured site. F.B.I. officials said in interviews that the intelligence-gathering effort was aimed at identifying anarchists and "extremist elements" plotting violence, not at monitoring the political speech of law-abiding protesters. <snip> SHEEOT.. i can see it now.. "sorry folks 20 people in a group.. you need a permit.. it's for your own protection.. oh, and this is your first ticket.. 3rd one and its a felony don't forget to call and let us know next time.. um, so we can keep you safe" |
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| Nov 24th, 2003 06:20 PM | |||
| Perndog | Why can't people be as insensitive as they want? Isn't that another thing covered by free speech? | ||
| Nov 24th, 2003 05:56 PM | |||
| Drew Katsikas |
As bad as the techniques the Feds are using, some of the people they're snooping on are just fucking stupid. The girl who wants to start an anarchist club in her PUBLIC school. What the fuck, is she just dumb? And I'd love to see how that one "America is to blame for Sept 11th" lady would have responded to it had it been her relatives in the building. Granted, we have a bully foreign policy, often, but that doesn't mean you can be so insensitive to a very tragic situation. |
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| Nov 8th, 2003 07:26 AM | |||
| Zhukov |
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| Nov 7th, 2003 07:16 PM | |||
| Abcdxxxx |
Visions of grandeur? Mistrust? You're not letting CIA into your house because you trust them and you're confident of your innocence. You're letting them in out of concern and fear that there's some reason to be persecuted, and you doubt your innocence means much within the system... or you'd make them follow the system and get the warrant. Our government learned and perfected how to ruin the lives of dissidents decades ago... to think these agents have ANY reason to enter your dorm room without a warrant...and then to let them do it... is dumb as fuck. Maybe instead of whining about it, these people should take a stand and say "no". Maybe if they really understood what they were whining about they'd know that insisting on a warrant, and documentation was for their own protection... and in a roundabout way, yours and mine. Instead, they're paranoid that the FBI might have them on a list mistaking them for the next coming of Abby Hoffman. |
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| Nov 7th, 2003 04:54 PM | |||
| The One and Only... |
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Since I am so uber. Makes me feel manly... |
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| Nov 7th, 2003 04:34 PM | |||
| kellychaos |
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| Nov 7th, 2003 04:15 PM | |||
| Abcdxxxx |
If she's allowed to have an anti-Bush poster then why aren't people allowed to ask her idiotic questions about it? These stories pose more of an inconveniance then a threat...and we know that there are actual things going on that ARE a threat. The sophmoric article you posted just belittles the seriousness of the situation by paying attention to a bunch of petty whining. So what, agents are snooping in dorm rooms? I mean I care cause it's absolutely pathetic, but that's been going on for at least fifty years now, even before Ashcroft was around. If you're going to be disturbed by this, then try being disturbed at whatever paranoia allowed a girl to INVITE these people in without a warrant. You can order a badge over the internet. You kids really wanna have nightmares? You can't use a gas card or credit card without being tracked. When you use an EZ Pass while passing through a toll, you're being tracked. When you walk through major intersections in major citys, your face is being logged and tracked by hidden cameras. Yawn, yawn. yawn. |
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| Nov 7th, 2003 12:17 PM | |||
| ranxer |
the government IS more fucked up that you imagined.. i'm reminded of this every day. it's more fucked up than I imagined! |
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| Nov 7th, 2003 11:23 AM | |||
| Immortal Goat | No, it doesn't protect you from looking like an asshole, you are right. BUT, it SHOULD protect you from investigations by the FBI and Secret Service. They asked that girl if she had stuff for the Taliban because of a goddamned poster that poked fun at Bush! If that isn't a violation of SOMETHING, then the government is more fucked up than I would have imagined. | ||
| Nov 6th, 2003 10:46 PM | |||
| Abcdxxxx |
At first I thought this article was written by the Onion.... Everyone just wants to be on THE LIST. This doesn't describe anyone "acting" against these people, or any arrest for "anti americanism". This describes an investigation. The warrant issues are concerning, except for these people allowed the supposed agents to enter the premises and gave them tours. I have concerns around these laws and freedom restrictions, but none of these examples really outraged me. I'm sure there are some that would. Where are the specific examples of the "government restricting freedoms" ? Not in this article. Private blacklisting isn't McCarthyism. Sorry, but freedom of speech doesn't protect you from sometimes looking like an asshole and offending people. |
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| Nov 6th, 2003 10:10 PM | |||
| Immortal Goat |
LOL at Ranxer! 
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| Nov 6th, 2003 11:31 AM | |||
| El Blanco |
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| Nov 6th, 2003 10:52 AM | |||
| Zhukov |
"...Conduct their crusades, or contain their people." Sorry, I thought it said "and" instead of "Or". I love it how resistance fighters are automaticaly "terrorists" in Iraq. They are killing soldiers, not civillians. Oh well. |
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| Nov 6th, 2003 10:44 AM | |||
| ranxer |
country? meh, he's one of the great satans we are fighting.. what do you want to say? that osama doesnt belong in that image? bush has this one both ways..  dont forget that 'if you're not with us your against us' so if you don't like giving up your freedom you must be a terrorist |
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| Nov 6th, 2003 10:28 AM | |||
| Zhukov | Which country does Osama control? | ||
| Nov 6th, 2003 10:26 AM | |||
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| Nov 4th, 2003 10:03 PM | |||
| Immortal Goat |
I hadn't even thought about the tax money thing, Max. Now i'm scared AND pissed off! 
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| Nov 4th, 2003 03:37 PM | |||
| mburbank | I'm just glad the FBI and CIA are using my tax dollars so wisely and efectively. | ||
| Nov 4th, 2003 02:41 PM | |||
| Immortal Goat |
So much for our freedom of speech. This article is old, but it scares the shit out of me. read this If this isn't scaring you, then you must not love your personal freedoms all that much. |
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