Originally Posted by Phoenix Gamma

Once the party is formed proper, Vaan really doesn't say a damn thing; it's about Ashe and Basch. At that point, he really stops being annoying and just becomes a perspective for the player. And there are waaaaaaay more retarded FF characters.

As for FF12 being political, I'm totally for it. Matsuno specializes in that (FFT, Tactics Ogre), and quite frankly the "ragtag group of teens fight a wizard who wants to be a god and send us up the bomb" is overplayed and pretty juvenile once you're no longer 13 and listening to Linkin Park. In FF12, if the good guys lose, everything pretty much stays the way it is (a world post-bad-guys-winning). And the political influence lends to some pretty great characters like Larsa and and Cid. Even Balthier had a history with the Judges.

Lastly, Zodiac International changed the license board. It's generally considered the superior version if you have the means to emulate/burn it.

Originally Posted by OxBlood

6 and 7 are different enough. 6 has the stronger cast but 7 has the better battlesystem imo. BUT it´s mainly about which a person has played first. I for example played 7 first since 6 never made it to Germany before the Anthology in 2002, so my ties to that one aren´t as strong since 7 was my first FF...if you don´t count Mystic Quest.

12 on the other hand...12 had two problems. The Cast and the Story. First the story. It´s political and war-ish. While that works most excellently for Suikoden games, it doesn´t for FF, I expect something grand there and 12 didn´t deliver any of that. It was sluggish and dumb. Second, the cast. Vaan is the WORST character in a FF game ever. There, I said it. He is worse than Hope, worse than Vanille, worse than Yuna. Why? Because he´s the fucking main character.
It doesn´t work, he´s a 5-year old barechested vest-wearing rascal and that is...just horrible. Honestly, I never finished the game or played further than about 30% because of this one design-choice. Had they made Bash the MC and the story about him, I would´ve played the shit out of that game.

Oh and the License-system was stupid as hell, but the battlesystem in general was good

Originally Posted by Dimnos

It would have been better if Cloud died instead of Aeris, or whatever he name was, and it just ended there.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

i kind of like the storyy for seven better its all, "YOURE A CRAZY FUCK YOU DUMB PATHETIC MOTHERFUCKER"

thats basically clouds story

Originally Posted by OxBlood

Though I prefer Locke or Zidane as MCs.

Originally Posted by Phoenix Gamma

7 just 6 in 3D, except it got boring after you reached the world map.

Also, 12 is where it's at, and anyone who disagrees will be split into 4 buttcheeks and fucked in the middle of them. However, you opinion will still be different from mine and I will respect that

Originally Posted by executioneer

RETURN TO ZORK :achimp

Originally Posted by OxBlood

7 was the best though, it had the most possibilities for customization. 8 was good too but the whole Junction-system lead to me never casting spells at all which is a flaw to me.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

i liked how the main character goes from a dark knight to a white knight or whatever (actually i hated it but it was still a neat touch) that a bunch of characters died i think and also that the little girl at the begining grows up

SO YES THERE IS CHARACTER ADVANCEMENT

but yea other than that i guess it is kind of bland..