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| Mar 12th, 2003 03:14 PM | ||||||
| The_Rorschach |
Well, as far as strict requirements go, if I remember correctly for the gentiles there were only four. I wish I had my Bible on me, my memory is so fucking terrible, but they were something like, to abstain from fornicating, not to eat meat consecrated in the names of false gods and. . .Thats where I lose track. But yeah, you have a valid point. Christ's teachings had less to do on hell and damnation, or avoiding it, and more on explaining the message of the Kingdom on Heaven and how one who follows Him should act with compassion. Although, depending upon how deeply you read the scriptures, there is a wealth of information to be found. I have a neat little theory on time based on the four gospels. Need to get my bible and notes to share though. While I believe that Bible was written under the inspiration of God, and therefore His word, I believe the true words of God within are largely symbolic. For the most part, when God spoke to others, He spoke allegorically (I hope I'm not misusing this word). Like with Christ's Sermons on the Mount, he used parables. |
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| Mar 12th, 2003 03:06 PM | ||||||
| mburbank |
Which is why almost all his references came from John, not due to any 'flipping'. But this 'argument' is really a game, since Ronnie starts from the proposal that the New Testament was written by GOD with the authors playing a part somewhere between scribes and dictaphones. And GOD is by deffinition INFALLIBLE. I'll tell you what, though, even accepting that (AND I DON'T) you can make hell of an argument for what Jesus AND the God who inspired the books that went into the bible ascribed to salvation as compared to everything else Jesus taught. It's a hallmark of Naldoanity to focus obsessively on how you personally can avoid damnation and win valuable God time as opposed to Jesus' teaching on how to treat your fellow man, especially your enemies. |
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| Mar 12th, 2003 02:53 PM | ||||||
| The_Rorschach |
Well, just to throw a couple pennies. Paul, pre-name change, did meet Christ, and was viewed by the Chruch at large as an authority on doctrine. . .So I believe Romans has some validity. However, if you REALLY want to quibble. Most non-conservative (biblically not politically) oriented theologians believe that the book of John was written by multiple authors in the name of John. The synoptic gospels (Mark, Matthew and Luke) are treated as a group, because they agree closely. The Gospel of John is treated separately, as are the writings of St. Paul, because of their discussion of the nature of Jesus and the criteria for salvation, as opposed to the life and times of the Man himself. |
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| Mar 11th, 2003 11:21 AM | ||||||
| mburbank |
Nadlo. What is this the Jenny Jones Show? How can you use 'Whatever' and still look at yourself in te mirror when you shave? Again, you need to wait, as I intend to actually think before opening my chow hole. |
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| Mar 10th, 2003 07:06 PM | ||||||
| theapportioner | Jesus condoned torture? Repression of free speech and due process? "Total Information Awareness"? Good thing I'm not a Christian!!!!!!! | |||||
| Mar 10th, 2003 06:56 PM | ||||||
| Carnivore |
I love how he acts as if he said something prophetic and unequivocal. Guess what, shitbrick! Every passage you quoted is open to interpretation! |
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| Mar 10th, 2003 04:28 PM | ||||||
| Ronnie Raygun |
Whatever, I'm waiting for a reponse to GOD's word. |
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| Mar 10th, 2003 02:24 PM | ||||||
| mburbank |
Hink, Blow me. Naldo, your answer isn't 'easy' it's 'simple'. "Christ himself said that HE is the only way to the Father in heaven. " Fine, then your comfortable throwing out Romans as HE doesn't say anything in it. I suspect, Naldo that as opposed to 'flipping' to anything, you used the biblical sissie's 'find a topic' chart thrown in at the front of many of your finer Full Text Bibles with Cliff Notes style educumation pointers. Or maybe you have one of those ever so cute color coded texts, where the Word O God is in RED so you don't have to be troubled by reading the context. Jesus said Lots of things, many of them way more frequently than anything he said about salvation. If the Bulk of what JC was about was simply how NOT to go to hell, he'd have had all the lasting religous appeal of a fall out shelter. But don't get your John th Baptist Underoos in a twist. I intend to give this matter some actual thought. And believe me Ronnie, I'd be most Happy if you said something I COULD agree with. |
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| Mar 10th, 2003 11:39 AM | ||||||
| Anonymous | Could somebody please spell "possibilities" correctly? I'm assuming that if you have all the answers in regards to maintaining world peace, you must at least have a light grasp on simple written communications. | |||||
| Mar 10th, 2003 10:46 AM | ||||||
| kellychaos |
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| Mar 10th, 2003 09:08 AM | ||||||
| sadie | third-person self-references are so gay. get over yourself, please. | |||||
| Mar 9th, 2003 08:41 PM | ||||||
| Ronnie Raygun |
Well, the answer to that is easy. I just flipped to Jn. and started looking. As long as those references from Rom. do not contradict the words of Christ....which they don't....I really don't think you point holds much weight. Chist himself said that HE is the only way to the Father in heaven. My point is simply, that if you are going to call yourself a CHRISTian you should believe GOD's inspired word when it tells you that CHRIST is the only way to heaven. I really don't see how anyone could disagree......unless you just wanted to disagree with Raygun for the sake of disagreeing with Raygun. |
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| Mar 9th, 2003 07:10 PM | ||||||
| mburbank |
Naldo, I assure you I'll look into it and will strt a brand new thread in response. But just looking aat your sources, I have an initial bone to pick. Throw out the Romans reference. These are letters written well after the life of Jesus. I know you have bead on what's divinely inspired and what isn't, but I'm not going to make any claims regarding what I site and am already allowing Gospels despite the fact that they too were almost certianly written way after Jesus. Plus, I'll give you another freeby by not including any of the Gospels which got cut from the New Testament several hundred years after the life of Jesus. It's the fairly striking that with one exception, all your references come from John. Hmmmm. What do we make of this? My guess is you don't even know the overall differences between the Gospels. I'll tell you what, though. They're pretty big, and they're prettty important. |
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| Mar 9th, 2003 06:36 PM | ||||||
| Anonymous | Aus 3:16 | |||||
| Mar 9th, 2003 07:48 AM | ||||||
| Ronnie Raygun |
Pony up? Jn. 14:6 Rom. 6:23 Jn. 5:11 Jn: 20:31 Jn: 3:36 Jn 3:3 Jn 6:37 Jn 3:7 Jn 3:16 Jn 3:17 Mk 16:16 |
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| Mar 9th, 2003 06:49 AM | ||||||
| FS |
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Not relying on another man's words -yours- is exactly what Proto is doing as far as I can tell, and exactly what you are asking him to do. |
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| Mar 8th, 2003 09:47 PM | ||||||
| mburbank |
"You shouldn't rely on what another man or woman has to say. Focus on GOD's inspired word. " But YOU, Naldo, claim to understand God's terms for being a Christian and being saved. Proto should not rely on how HE understnds God's inspired word, because he is WRONG. And he's going to HELL. You know this without a doubt. Pony up, Naldo. In context, what's your text. Chapter and verse. |
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| Mar 8th, 2003 06:31 PM | ||||||
| Anonymous |
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| Mar 8th, 2003 01:19 PM | ||||||
| Ronnie Raygun |
"That's because being a good person is more important to me than being a "true Christian" in the eyes of Ronnie Raygun." Proto, don't focus on me. focus on being a true Christian in the eyes of Jesus Christ. That's all I'd really like you to do. I'm not being snobbish or anything else like that. Why can't you just trust that I have the best of intentions. I can tell by the things you've said that you are not a Christian according to the word of Jesus Christ himself. You shouldn't get angry with me for pointing that out. I think it's important for you to know that What you say a Christian is, and what Christ says a Christian is is different. If your claiming to be a Christian, isn't that something important to know? "Funny how so many people who are part of organized religion enjoy being elitist, judgmental snobs ... the very anithesis of Christ." I agree 100%. I dealt with those people all of my life. "Quite a paradox, eh Ronnie?" Not really for me. I've been to church in just about every denomination that exists.....all the major ones at least. And I can tell you that most have a major flaw....at least one....others have lesser flaws....all are flawed in some way. However, the vast majority of these people as individuals are not snobs, elitist or anything of the sort. They are ordinary people just like you and me ....or even Maxi....who just go to work, take their kids to soccer practice, cook dinner, pay taxes....the only difference is on top of all that...they've given control of their life over to Jesus Christ. Many churches are responsible for appearing elitist many are not. Many people like you are responsible for blaming people who are not. "That's why I don't belong to any organized religion. I can analyze/interpret the Bible on my own terms." That's what you are supposed to do. You shouldn't rely on what another man or woman has to say. Focus on GOD's inspired word. "It's not meant to be take so literal anyway." So literal as what? |
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| Mar 8th, 2003 12:29 PM | ||||||
| kellychaos |
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| Mar 8th, 2003 12:28 PM | ||||||
| Protoclown | That's because being a good person is more important to me than being a "true Christian" in the eyes of Ronnie Raygun. | |||||
| Mar 8th, 2003 11:56 AM | ||||||
| Ronnie Raygun | No. It's Proto's. | |||||
| Mar 4th, 2003 06:01 PM | ||||||
| mburbank |
It's pretty clear y'all lack a serious religous educumation. "And here I thought that society, environment, language and culture might have had something to do with it......silly me." -Vibe That is the case for ALL RELIGIONS. As stated in the book olf Naldo, Christianity is NOT a religion it is the TRUTH. "Love for the fellow man no matter if they were an unbeliever, a politician, a whore or an enemy. " -FS Sure love THEM, that their SIN which if they do not REPENT you can love them as they go to hell for eternity. And if they don't accept Jesus you can love them all the way to hell no MATTER WHAT! Rest assured God loves you. But He can love you and damn you, becuae he gavce you a choice and as much as he loves you, rules are rules! I love my daughters, but if they do wrong, they need to be punished eternally or they'll never learn. Oh and Naldo doesn't want to prove anything. It's not debatable. Proto ISN'T a CHRISTIAN and if he DOESN'T become one he will go to HELL for ETERNITY when he dies. It's NOT Naldo's fault, it's GODS! |
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| Mar 4th, 2003 05:52 PM | ||||||
| Protoclown |
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"Protoclown, you are NOT a Christian." - Ronnie 2:18 |
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| Mar 4th, 2003 05:35 PM | ||||||
| AChimp |
God also says to stone lepers. 
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