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Oct 14th, 2005 01:45 PM
ziggytrix
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Originally Posted by AngPur
Furnishing opinions with the message of "Think for yourself". Kind of defeats the purpose, huh?

GET IT?
Oct 13th, 2005 07:20 PM
kahljorn Kilgore trout has eyes all over his face and nose
He's scary.
Oct 13th, 2005 07:14 PM
AngPur
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Originally Posted by Sethomas
Am I going to have to make "Lovecraft Sucks" part of my signature or something? :/
Please do. Trendy old authors for teenage goths are quite butched in culture. Also, Poe and Vonnegut are both very good, but the former has been remembered more for his image than his mastery of English, and the later is a very respectable author who never meant to be read by any and all 13-17 year olds.
Oct 13th, 2005 06:11 PM
Immortal Goat But Lovecraft DOESN'T suck. It's just the Marine's of the world that give him a bad image.
Oct 13th, 2005 01:11 PM
Sethomas Am I going to have to make "Lovecraft Sucks" part of my signature or something? :/
Oct 13th, 2005 01:04 PM
Jeanette X I did have someone on campus offer me a free copy of the New Testament, but he backed off when I said "No thank you", which is rather refreshing.

I don't mind evangicals if they take no for an answer, but they rarely do.

You should have just chanted, "Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn, Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!" while lolling your tongue and shaking ecstatically.

That would've gotten rid of her pretty damn quick.
Oct 13th, 2005 12:41 PM
AngPur
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Originally Posted by ziggytrix
there is only one possible course of action. make and distribute anti-proselytizing literature at your coffee house/campus!
Furnishing opinions with the message of "Think for yourself". Kind of defeats the purpose, huh?
Oct 12th, 2005 07:26 PM
ziggytrix there is only one possible course of action. make and distribute anti-proselytizing literature at your coffee house/campus!
Oct 12th, 2005 03:02 PM
kahljorn I don't see anything wrong with the christian faith. There might be stupid people in it but there's stupid people everywhere. Welcome to a world of substandard education, and a place where your ego only exists as it does because there's half-retarded christians out there.
You should feel proud that people are stupider than you rather than acting outraged, because without their stupidity you'd just be an average joe. Not that alot of people on this board are really any better than christians as far as their belief patterns or actions would have it...
Oct 12th, 2005 12:02 PM
Preechr So, if Max's right, then not only were you right to mock the pseudo-evangelistic little monkey, but you would have been doing her a favor by going a few steps further, picking up some rocks and staging a good, ol' fashioned stoning.

I like to think that's what Jesus would have done had he caught her using his name so vainly.

Max's and Perndog's comments pretty much sums up why I did not go into the ministry and eventually talked myself out of being a Christian altogether. The idea that life has to be that complex and agonizing ONLY FOR HUMANS sounds way to human for me to easily accept as what God planned.
Oct 12th, 2005 07:27 AM
Immortal Goat My understanding on the matter of "sinfulness" is that certain faiths have different beliefs on the subject. Some believe that no matter what you do in life, if you accept Jesus as your lord and savior by the time you die, then you go to Heaven, but if you don't, no matter how good a person you were, you go to hell. Others believe that it is mostly based on good deeds, and that while it is preferable to believe in Jesus, it isn't the only way to get there.

In other words, fundamentalist Christians are the dicks at a ticket counter that stop selling tickets before they are sold out, and the other guys are the scalpers in the parking lot. Neither one of them is someone you really want to deal with, but at least one of them is letting you in, even if it is for a high price.
Oct 12th, 2005 02:05 AM
Sethomas Depends on whom you ask. In conventional theology, sinfulness is a deliberate separation from God undertaken by the individual. So, damnation is not God's doing, but a de facto reaction for dying outside of His grace. Id est, you choose not to go to heaven. Hoewver, what is or isn't sin is determined by God alone. So, you detach yourself, but only God knows if you are detached.
Oct 12th, 2005 01:15 AM
Big Papa Goat
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Originally Posted by mburbank
Being truly Christian is very, very hard and balancing the potential damnation of others (about which you can know nothing since judgement is the province of God)
According to Christian thinking, isn't damnation the result of a natural sinfulness, not God's judgement of paticular sins or individuals?
Oct 12th, 2005 12:38 AM
Perndog If it's Jesus or Hell, anyone who doesn't evangelize *is* doing a disservice to humanity. That's what I'm saying.
Oct 11th, 2005 11:29 PM
El Blanco don't most -isms? If you are really going to dedicate yourself to anything (other than monasticism), don't you kind of have to sell others on it? Or atleast try?
Oct 11th, 2005 10:44 PM
AngPur
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Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore
The problem with you guys is that you look at evangelism (sp?) as like the Borg assimilating weak planets and solar systems. That's not how a missionary looks at it. They see themselves as being blessed with a gift, a gift that is their obligation to share with the world, lest they do a disservice to the world.
Communism sort operates on the same mentality though...
Oct 11th, 2005 10:05 PM
Immortal Goat Didn't the Borg kinda feel the same way, though? Not a Trek fan, but I was under the impression that they felt that they were superior, and therefor everyone should be borg or be destroyed. :/
Oct 11th, 2005 08:25 PM
KevinTheOmnivore The gospel is the "good news." If you feel like you have heard the good news, and you're filled with the happy, don't you want to share that happy with everyone you possibly could???

The problem with you guys is that you look at evangelism (sp?) as like the Borg assimilating weak planets and solar systems. That's not how a missionary looks at it. They see themselves as being blessed with a gift, a gift that is their obligation to share with the world, lest they do a disservice to the world.
Oct 11th, 2005 07:57 PM
Perndog Max, I always thought the same thing. Christians who think anyone who isn't on good terms with Jesus goes to Hell but don't go out of their way to help save anyone are failing pretty miserably. The only reason I can imagine that there are people with those beliefs who aren't either hardcore evangelists or completely self-loathing (for their failure) is that most people don't really think things all the way through. "Yeah, Jesus saves, and sinners without Jesus are damned. Well, I'm saved. I kind of wish everyone could be, too. But I can't really do anything about it. I respect their differences."

It is not appropriate to respect a difference of opinion when one believes with certainty that this difference will lead to ETERNAL TORMENT. If I were that kind of Christian, I would be a gung-ho crazy evangelist and no amount of criticism or argument would make me back down.

Good thing I'm not. That would be so much work.

By the way, Max, thanks for replying to my thread. I've missed you.
Oct 11th, 2005 04:38 PM
KevinTheOmnivore I get a Jesus complex when I'm rejected in a coffee shop, too.
Oct 11th, 2005 04:21 PM
kellychaos
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Originally Posted by mburbank
You gave her what she came for, though she probably doesn't know it.

That's what makes it particularly sad that what most (perhaps not all) who publicly witness want is validation of their identity which they get through provoking the criticism and ridicule of outsiders. Later they can tell each other that this criticism and ridicule is evidence of, or even amounts to, persecution, the ultimate sign that your identity is indeed valid.
moral masochism
Oct 11th, 2005 03:08 PM
kahljorn my friend answered the door drunk as fuck to some mormons or something once, and they ended up saying his dog had no soul so he got pissed and got his dog out(Which is a huge chocolate doberman named bosco who's a really nice dog) and they ran away and jumped into their car and drove off
Oct 11th, 2005 12:53 PM
AngPur
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Originally Posted by mburbank
That's what makes it particularly sad that what most (perhaps not all) who publicly witness want is validation of their identity which they get through provoking the criticism and ridicule of outsiders. Later they can tell each other that this criticism and ridicule is evidence of, or even amounts to, persecution, the ultimate sign that your identity is indeed valid.
So evangelical Christians are basically furries? Suddenly, a whole lot of crap makes sense.
Oct 11th, 2005 12:32 PM
mburbank You gave her what she came for, though she probably doesn't know it.

She thinks she's doing what Jesus wanted from her, ie. spreading the gospel and potentially saving souls from eternal damnation. If one believes in eternal damnation, it would be pretty horrible NOT sppending your time trying to save people from it, like walking past a collapsed bullding and not trying to pull people from the rubble,except much, much worse.

That's what makes it particularly sad that what most (perhaps not all) who publicly witness want is validation of their identity which they get through provoking the criticism and ridicule of outsiders. Later they can tell each other that this criticism and ridicule is evidence of, or even amounts to, persecution, the ultimate sign that your identity is indeed valid.

If one is seriously interested in the teachings of Jesus, they should look long and hard at their reasons for witnessing, to make sure that they are not in fact the sin of pride.

Being truly Christian is very, very hard and balancing the potential damnation of others (about which you can know nothing since judgement is the province of God) against ones own motivations is just one of the difficulties. Being truly Christian is a lot more like agony on the corss than talking to people about stuff they don't want to talk about in coffee shops.
Oct 10th, 2005 10:59 PM
FurankuS So this guy I know (who's now a high school science teacher, of all things) is busy not going to class when two JWs show up at his door. He, being a friendly type, isn't being THAT mean to them; they're just standing there talking for a few minutes about whatever. One of the Witnesses is looking sort of bored, so my friend tells him to hang back. He then intives him to a party later, and the Jehovah's Witness ends passed out on top of a pool table by the end of the night.

They can still be saved!
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