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| Sep 14th, 2005 04:51 PM | |||
| kellychaos |
Black helicopters, man. I'm tellin' ya. 
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| Sep 14th, 2005 10:22 AM | |||
| mburbank |
Hee hee. OAO, don't you have a thread about Anarcho Capitalism to be in. And thanks for educumatin' me on my vocabunary, their, highscool boy. I'm sure in your clove smokin' fencin' makin' out world of Rock n' Roll... social philosiphizin' there all sorts of left leaning Liberatarians, which is of course swell, especially in terms of high speed chin wagging, and I'm certain it's swell. |
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| Sep 14th, 2005 09:55 AM | |||
| ziggytrix |
brings new meaning to the "fallout" following a "hostile takeover"...
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| Sep 14th, 2005 08:42 AM | |||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Hey OAO. How are ya? Everything ok? Good. Privately owned nukes? Cool. "isn't plurality in available defense a good thing?" No. No it is not. Thanks for stoppin' by. You be well, ok? |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 08:11 PM | |||
| The One and Only... |
Hey Kevin. Nuclear bombs would be owned privately in market anarchy. In fact, it's quite possible that they would continue to be produced. Why do I bring this up? Because the Kevin-Bubba circle jerk is just plain stupid. OOOH INEQUAL SECURITY... so the fuck what? Who has more to defend? Who values security more? Isn't plurality in available defense a good thing? Max, those right-wing libertarians you're referring to aren't libertarians at all. Libertarianism is actually a leftist doctrine. A good example of a right-winger masquerading as a libertarian is an Objectivist. |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 06:29 PM | |||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 06:22 PM | |||
| CaptainBubba |
I don't even know what you want from me. I asked you a simple question that you haven't at all answered in any post. I read again to make sure. How in any way are they not doing a better job than the government? And just for clarification "Kissing little black babies on their cheeks" was suppsoed to be a joke... dear. |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 06:11 PM | |||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Why should I type a reply, you haven't read anything else I've said!!?! Glad to see you got around to reading the article, though. |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 06:07 PM | |||
| CaptainBubba | So what is your proof that the ones hired to work with the coast gaurd are doing a bad job? I am assuming you think that otherwise everything you're saying is more of an endorsment for privatization and heaven forbid that. | ||
| Sep 13th, 2005 05:53 PM | |||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
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"We're working with the Coast Guard as well as some private sector clients," Blackwater spokeswoman Ann Duke said." That's from the article above that you didn't read. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Good job. And also, your point is moot. Ideally, in a Libertarian utopia, there'd be some small semblance of government, which in a Libertarian-light scenario, would handle contracting out responsibilities to the private sector. The rest of what you said is boring and blah blah. |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 05:45 PM | |||
| CaptainBubba |
Ok. Real quick. Who hired Blackwater? Riiiight. Good job. In addition, what indication do you have that Blackwater will serve the poor any less than was already the case? Its entirely possible that they'll just ignore them like our government instead of... well I guess theyd have to fucking execute them wouldnt they? It wasn't a libertarian governmewnt before the disaster is the point Kevin. Its our government that can't handle the hurricane. If a day after the hurricane everyone in America suddenly saw the virtue of free market economics and adopted Libertarianism as the countrie's political doctrine then what you are saying would make sense. As it is you don't really make sense. Why does a natural disaster = Libertarianism. Our government in a state of chaos is in no way equivalent to a new state of government. I know I'm repeating myself but you really should already understand this. Seriously if you want to joke around be prepared for other people to have a better sense of humor than you. I never complained or "cried" about what you posted as you so gamefaqesquely put it. As far as I can tell you're the one bitching about what I'm saying.[/i] I hate to be a predictable little shit but really if you want an example of Libertarianism out of this, its the amount of people donating money to charitable organizations. Without the use of force via the government. |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 04:58 PM | |||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
My post was a joke, dear. It wasn't meant to be insightful in any way, yet it managed to make you cry all over your keyboard. "My main point is nothing going on in NO is indicative of libertarianism in my mindset and suggesting it somehow highlights the weaknessess of libertarianism is just on the border of retardation." Nothing? The potential for inadequate public protection services, being replaced instead by private security services, which will in fact benefit only those in New Orleans with money, doesn't sound indicative of the failures of a government-hating philosophy??? I've known and encountered enough Libertarians in my time to know that they ultimately want to privatize the fuck out of everything. This doesn't strike up some important talking points at your next Harry Browne book club meeting??? This, as I've learned the hard way over the past few years, is the problem with esoteric ideological philosophies. You say "this has nothing to do with Libertarianism, it's a natural disaster!#%!" Well, do hurricanes not happen in candy land? Can't Libertarianism handle the scrutiny of a "what if?" ????? "I guess only Kevin is allowed to mock people though so I'll remember in the future to maintain a serious and professional demeanor in future posts." Sounds like a plan. |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 04:51 PM | |||
| CaptainBubba |
Kevin would you care to explain why when I teased your somehwta idiotic post all you did was call me an idiot and say I cant handle getting "mocked". My main point is nothing going on in NO is indicative of libertarianism in my mindset and suggesting it somehow highlights the weaknessess of libertarianism is just on the border of retardation. I guess only Kevin is allowed to mock people though so I'll remember in the future to maintain a serious and professional demeanor in future posts. |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 04:49 PM | |||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
"Blackwater, one of the fastest-growing private security firms in the world, which achieved global prominence last year when four of its men were killed and their bodies mutilated in the Iraqi city of Falluja, has set up camp in the back garden of a vast mansion in the wealthy Uptown district of the city." They should be a little bit more obvious. |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 04:07 PM | |||
| Abcdxxxx |
Weird story. I wasn't saying there aren't millionares out there who would take some irrational measures, but the real estate assets they're protecting are relative to the real estate in NO itself... as is the corruption. The whole thing is retarded...why was Sean Penn allowed to carry a rifle in broad daylight as if he was a law enforcement agent? |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 03:44 PM | |||
| ziggytrix |
No they took a jet from Israel to Baton Rouge, then got on the helicopter. http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/st...567656,00.html The WSJ story makes it sound like more than just two mercs. :/ |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 02:42 PM | |||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Wait, did a helicopter come from Israel? | ||
| Sep 13th, 2005 02:39 PM | |||
| mburbank | Wow, what's really ironic is that he's head of NO public transportation, and he took a private helicopter to safety while the city buses that ran took people to the Superdome! That's really lettin' 'em eat cake! | ||
| Sep 13th, 2005 01:32 PM | |||
| ziggytrix |
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Christopher Cooper Wall Street Journal Sept. 8, 2005 |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 01:31 PM | |||
| mburbank |
It's still the haves and the have nots though. I'm not recommending a cmmunist revolution, but I think one of the main reasons you have a government is to protect the have nots in their basic rights. The haves could leave their homes knowing hired security would protect them. The have nots couldn't and were forced to relly on the govt to maintain order. |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 01:09 PM | |||
| Abcdxxxx | I also want to point out that New Orleans isn't Beverly Hills, and even it's largest homes are far from multi-million dollar homes. Most of really large old plantation mansions aren't in the city, and a lot of them have been conversted into commercial spaces. Just to put it into perspective. The whole idea od filthy rich folks hiring private security is pretty slim in this case. | ||
| Sep 13th, 2005 11:01 AM | |||
| mburbank |
"It is preposterous to claim that the engagement in Iraq meant there wasn't enough troops here, just pure and simple." -George W. Bush He means 'weren't', since troops is plural not singular, but that's just being picky. So... if engagement in Iraq isn't the reason, then what is? |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 10:33 AM | |||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Max, I think you hit it on the head. Yes, the black water press release should be read with scrutiny. But it still, even if just given a cursory glance, fills you in a bit on what they're up to, if you cut out the fluff. And on the second article-- you're right Max, but here's my take on it. If rich people want to spend crazy amount of cash to protect their homes and move their files, that's totally cool with me. More power to them. But if these privatized guards are compensating for a lack of NOPD and guardsmen, then that's bad. That creates an inequality of security and services. |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 10:25 AM | |||
| mburbank |
Okay. A little personal analysis of the above. Kev, this is not intended to point anything out to you, since you posted it. This is for skimmers. The first post is a press release from Blackwaters web site, posted by Blackwaters marketting and PR folks. Any material written by a for profit company about itself should be taken as a comercial, self promotion and nothing more. The second post is mostly not about Blackwater. It does speak to the fact that if you're rich you can afford protection and if your poor and you rely on the government you better hope you enjoy living on your roof, but that's an entirely separate issue. Blackwater, among a few claims, says they are working for the coast guard. Under who's auspices? How are they being paid? Who approved this? Who do they report to? And above all else, why does an agency of the government need to hire professional security? |
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| Sep 13th, 2005 10:12 AM | |||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
And here, it sounds like there may be some water bottles involved, but still no sign of black babies receiving any free market loving. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printsto...nation/3349334 Sept. 12, 2005, 4:09PM ALONG GULF COAST Business booming for private security Firms help escort supplies and rescue files By TERRI LANGFORD Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle HURRICANE KATRINA Need a helicopter to get you to your waterlogged New Orleans offices? How about a computer technician to retrieve critical company computer data and board up the company windows? Perhaps someone to get your cat and your Lamborghini out of the French Quarter? After Katrina's storm waters flooded New Orleans, the city's moneyed and corporate elite reached for their cell phones and called people like David Nicastro, who owns one of the many private security and risk management firms that have descended on the city. "We're getting requests for all kinds of things," said Nicastro, president of Secure Source Inc., a risk consulting firm in Southlake, near Fort Worth. "We're lining up transportation services, any need you might have. Porta-Johns to fuel and other things. Everything needs to be escorted in." As federal troops and rescuers struggled to get to New Orleans and other ravaged Gulf Coast areas last week, convoys of private security and risk consulting firms, many made up of ex-military and former law enforcement officers, quickly arrived on the scene. "We're actively engaged in New Orleans," said Jodie Rosenbloom, spokeswoman for Kroll Inc., the New York-based risk management consulting firm, which has a mix of corporate clients and the "high-net-worth individual." The company, which stresses it is not a private armed security firm, has offered all clients storm damage assessments of their office buildings. Computer data retrieval has been a large part of Kroll's job. "Since the storm hit, we're offering free evaluations, we're telling them not to power up their waterlogged hard drives," Rosenbloom said. "We've been busy." Private security guards, many armed, are doing everything from checking on individuals' houses to retrieving damaged computer files to pulling out luxury cars and photographing storm damage. "We're chartering aircraft and getting people into their homes," Nicastro said. "We're protecting large companies." Most of the private security consultants have been hired by Louisiana and Mississippi businesses. "You're looking at energy companies, critical infrastructure type of calls, real estate management to provide security for the owner," said former FBI agent Bob Doguim, president of Safeguard Security Holdings Inc. in Houston. Some companies are working with the government as volunteers and contractors as well as with individuals. North Carolina-based Blackwater USA, like other companies, took about a day to get in place in Louisiana, a lightening-speed mobilization compared with the one organized by local, state and federal governments. "We're working with the Coast Guard as well as some private sector clients," Blackwater spokeswoman Ann Duke said. Some companies are providing individual homeowners with protection against looters. For $150, Secure Source will check on your house. "They want someone to drive by a few times a day and make sure it's not being looted," Nicastro said. "Some have us actually sitting on property to protect it. Some we are escorting in and want to get back into their home." Armed security stationed at the home costs between $700 and $2,000 a day, Nicastro said. Before Katrina hit, Louisiana had about 185 private security companies licensed in the state, according to Wayne Rogillio, executive secretary for the Louisiana State Board of Private Security Examiners. By Friday, 33 more companies had registered. John Moritz, who owns Moritz and Associates, a security firm in Houston, said Louisiana officials have been helpful and welcoming to private security personnel. "If you're properly licensed and all of your ducks are in a row, you can get over there," said Moritz, whose security personnel were hired to guard Gulf Coast casinos. Until New Orleans engineers are able to pump out the floodwaters, security companies will continue to pour into the city and work with businesses and homeowners in retrieving and protecting their belongings. "We're getting requests for all kinds of things," Nicastro said. "We've had one person who called to say, 'I've got my Lamborghini in the French Quarter, and I have to get it out.' " The client told Nicastro he only cared about his cat and car. terri.langford@chron.com |
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