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| Dec 15th, 2003 12:46 PM | ||
| Protoclown |
I THOUGHT you were supposed to act like you're smart. 
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| Dec 15th, 2003 10:59 AM | ||
| The One and Only... |
My view is that prisons should be about punishment, but only once we have eliminated over half of the crimes we have. The way I read it made me think that these prisoners would be given parole earlier if they went to religious councelling, which apparently is not the case. |
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| Dec 15th, 2003 09:47 AM | ||
| mburbank |
While I'm all in favor of getting non violent drug users out of our jails, your choice " I'm willing to compromise my beliefs about church in state so that these people will get out prison and can become normal, productive members of society again (which a lot of druggies are). " isn't what Jeb Bush is offering. He's talking about special treatment for christians and segregating prisoners based on religous beliefs. He isn't offering any kind of trade off, so saying you're willing to sacrafice one thing for another is in no way germaine. As for both of your ideas about whipping inmates, while you may think you will never be on the wrong side of the law, you don't know it. I see compassion as a virtue, not a way to get what you want, or for that mnatter as a hedge against future ill treatment. My belief that prison should be about rehabilitatiion and not about punishment is in no way linked to what crimes I feel I may be likely to commit. |
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| Dec 13th, 2003 09:56 PM | ||
| Perndog |
Oh, I would whip criminals for everything else too; I just happened to single out the guy in your example. And publicly for certain. Justice for the innocent is one of many reasons I'm not actually involved in law. |
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| Dec 13th, 2003 09:49 PM | ||
| The One and Only... |
Why wouldn't you whip blue collars? And why not do it publicly? The real issue here is not about whether or not truly heinous persons deserve such treatment, but the chances of an innocent receiving them - not to mention legally guilty, but morally innocent persons as well. |
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| Dec 13th, 2003 09:03 PM | ||
| Perndog |
While we're talking ideal punishments for a white collar criminal, I say give him 30 lashes along with those big fines and set him loose immediately (but watch him in case he didn't learn his lesson). Repeal that whole cruel and unusual thing while you're at it... to paraphrase Heinlein, the whole point of punishment is cruelty, and to add my own opinion, if it's unusual the criminal will just remember it better. In case you want to call me insensitive again (which I am) or stupid (which I don't think I am), yes, Max, I really do think this would be a good idea, because I don't commit crimes so I wouldn't have to worry about being whipped myself. |
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| Dec 13th, 2003 08:13 PM | ||
| The One and Only... |
All that I'm saying is that you need to learn to compromise. I am more worried about the incarcerated pot smoker being in jail than I am worried about having religion pseudo-forced on him while he is being rehabilitated. I'm willing to compromise my beliefs about church in state so that these people will get out prison and can become normal, productive members of society again (which a lot of druggies are). As for white collar crime... screw jail. He'll just buy his way into one of those "special" prisons which are really like upscale hotels. Fine the son of bitch to hell and back. Take away a heck of a lot more than he made on the crime. Lowers taxes, and is more effective. |
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| Dec 13th, 2003 04:07 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
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About ten years! :RIMSHOT Yuck! Yuck! Yuck! Thank you ... I'll be here all week. It sounds like different means to the same end and the violent offender (unless he actually kills someone) has relatively little impact on society as a whole and usually the payoff (if he gets away with it) is a fraction of that of the white collar criminal. Yet the white collar criminal, more often than not, is probably a seemingly religious man whilst the heathen who robbed the gas station is the one that needs the baby Jesus. Figure that one out! I guess I'd be in need of religious consolation too if my punishment way exceeded the seriousness of my crime and the system is skewed in favor of the already rich or, at least, middle class. |
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| Dec 13th, 2003 02:35 PM | ||
| Perndog | The court order will be arriving shortly, Max. You're going to regret that dare. | |
| Dec 13th, 2003 10:21 AM | ||
| mburbank |
"And you miss my point. You think that the state "supporting" religion is worse than keeping non-violent law breakers in jail. That says a lot about your character." Well... Um, yeah, I guess. But where did I say that? And what exactly is it supposed to say about my character? There's all kinds of nonviolent crime. A guy who gets busted for smoking dope? I don't see the point of incarcerating him. White collar criminals who impact the entire economy, screw up peoples retirements, run the company into the ground and get paid millions to do it? It's not violent but it's malacious, greedy and it ruins lives. I say hard time, long time. I think creating a special religion speciffic jail is creepy. Sue me. |
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| Dec 13th, 2003 07:41 AM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
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I'm in support of all kinds of rehabilitation, be it religious or not. But I think Blanco had a good point in his jest. Will it truly be various faiths, or simply Christianity? Which denomination? I'd imagine Catholics might be shit out of luck, too. Having religion in the public sphere doesn't bother me. Choosing one religion OVER another, IMO, is the MAIN reason why religion is excluded all together. It'd sort of be like when Catholics and other faiths were taxed in the colonies in order to fund Protestant churches. No dice. |
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| Dec 13th, 2003 02:50 AM | ||
| camacazio |
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| Dec 13th, 2003 02:19 AM | ||
| Abcdxxxx | Ugh, The Rapture? I don't care what Janet Jackson thinks, I'm getting tired of James Murphy and the too much cowbell joke. | |
| Dec 12th, 2003 04:25 PM | ||
| kellychaos | Rehab the pagan bastards ... 'cause christians never commit crimes. | |
| Dec 12th, 2003 04:02 PM | ||
| The One and Only... |
Ah, but burbank, the prisoner has a choice. He doesn't have to be rehabilitated. And you miss my point. You think that the state "supporting" religion is worse than keeping non-violent law breakers in jail. That says a lot about your character. |
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| Dec 12th, 2003 01:44 PM | ||
| Brandon |
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| Dec 12th, 2003 11:38 AM | ||
| Perndog | You know, I think "would it be rapture proof?" is a good question. What happens when prisoners are struck with the light of Jesus and suddenly rise up to heaven? Are they installing special security measures to prevent this kind of escapee, or do they have a liability clause that covers it? Because it would be awful to have convicted criminals running around up there before they've served their sentences - it might ruin heaven for the rest of us. | |
| Dec 12th, 2003 09:58 AM | ||
| mburbank |
"I thought it was the liberals who wine about the focus on punishment rather than rehabilitation anyway." I'm all for rehabilitation. I'm pretty much against rehab for christians only in a special christians only jail. I'm also pretty much against the government funding of religous programs, state religions, and incremental steps toward theocracy. Oh, I'm also against narrow minded psuedo intellectual baboons defining what I think and calling it whining. But I suppose you can't help it since that's what I think liberatrainas always do. |
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| Dec 11th, 2003 09:22 PM | ||
| Emu |
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| Dec 11th, 2003 09:10 PM | ||
| Perndog |
Not all religions are cults, but all cults are religions. Religion is a pretty broad term, and the basically accepted tradition is: a set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader. Now, you could say it's a stupid religion, and most people would agree with you. But that doesn't mean it's not one at all. |
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| Dec 11th, 2003 09:02 PM | ||
| Ant10708 |
I know nothing about the Wiccan religion but Scientology is not a religion and this I have studied. Its a cult. And I know how everyone says all relgion is a cult but this is a real and dangerous one. Oh Perndog I love your sig and its now in my AIm profile. 
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| Dec 11th, 2003 08:33 PM | ||
| Perndog | Calling something a religion doesn't give it credit for anything. Wicca and Scientology are religions. Doesn't stop them from being retarded. | |
| Dec 11th, 2003 08:32 PM | ||
| El Blanco | It was a joke. I also called Wicca a religion. That should have tipped you off. | |
| Dec 11th, 2003 08:11 PM | ||
| Ant10708 |
Oh dear god don't make yourself look unintelligent by calling Scientology a religion. Scientology wouldn't want prisoners as followers since all it wants is money and most prisoners don't have a steady income. But I agree with having a choice of a religion or philsophies on a way of life. |
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| Dec 11th, 2003 07:53 PM | ||
| El Blanco | What if its a nondenominational prison? You can choose a form of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Wicca, Scientology, etc etc as long as this makes petty criminals into prductive members of society, why not give it a roll? | |
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