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| Oct 9th, 2005 08:23 PM | |||||||||||||
| kahljorn |
You're sure solving some hard puzzles right now, boy. "How much bigger do you think the world is now than 1,000 years ago? Not double, the population has probably doubled in the last decade... and let's say the world population doubled every five years while the size of the earth stays the same." That's what I said(probablies and "Let's pretends"). Everything i said wasn't accurate numbers and wasn't presented that way, it was only presented at all for representation of this simple fact; Let's say the earth is.. 8. And us humans are .1. 100 years later, it's .2, then .4, then .8, then 1.6, then 3.2. Notice how the ratio increases more and more, while the ratio for the earth becomes relatively smaller. I'm not using any actual numbers, who really needs them. The idea itself was, again, represented at merely an example of the government doing things like that. The rest was all based on some guys theory that, again, I haven't read and have never even felt the urge to read about. I still don't understand why you think you're proving something when i clearly stated it could be, "Just some crazy conspiracy" before our "Argument" even began. I even said I don't have the numbers for any of it, and you still acted surprised when my numbers came back, "Made up"? :/ "I heard once that some famous virologist/biologist type fellow went before the un and said that the AIDs virus was really a composite of three different animals diseases. From like a cow, a chicken and something else. He could actually show all the similarities and such. WHAT IF IT WERE TRUE? and he was going to attack the, "Democratic states" or the Godless ones." What if it were true? Jesus. That sounds like I'm so convinced of this theory. Jesus, you're such a blaring moron. "Hey look what I'm doing, I'm going to cast doubt on something you don't even believe. Look, I'm casting doubt on something you have doubts about. Doesn't that bother you, man, I'm doubting it. I'm proving you wrong because I'm so much smarter than you. And you know what, you're not even making a point by saying you don't believe in the thing I'm trying to prove to you doesn't exist (so you won't believe it but you already don't believe it what the fuck). Cause people never say things they don't believe, I know because i read that once in a story about a rabbit who had to learn to trust the badger. Only he knew the way home!" allundran! "What part of "NOT MY JOB TO WIPE YOUR ASS FOR YOU" don't you get dude? " I'm not trying to prove the guys theory. I don't care about it. I'm only arguing with you because you keep asking me questions about it. I haven't even really read that much about it. Every single answer I have given you has been made up like a fictitous story as i sat there and typed it to you. If you want real details or to have this proven to you go read it and wipe your own ass. Again, I repeat, i dont care about this theory. I'm not living my life according to the truth provided by dr. strecker. To repeat, all the studies you did were to prove numbers that I made up.. obviously. Which you somehow didn't catch on to when you found out they were wrong. "Was it a natural disease, or did they create it?" As the story has it a preexisting disease/virus was IMPROVED, three virii were combined to create one super killer. Sort of like Burger fries and a coke. In the story i was making up, clearly since it was about the BIRD FLU and this thread is about the BIRD FLU and it even has the word BIRD FLU in the topic I would say it's probably about LEPROSY. Either a) a preexisting disease possible of spreading through people at a very high rate is already around B) A very slow spreading disease that works on humans is already around If b they would just need to "Improve" it, which I'm sure they could do. If a, the disease is already around so they just have to do whatever they would do with it. If you read the initial story of this thread and then read the responses in order you might understand what's going on. Your almighty crusher of all ideas personality is really great though. My frail ego is now left flabargasted by your lush radiance o' serene and benevolent one. Pinko. |
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| Oct 9th, 2005 12:19 PM | |||||||||||||
| AngPur |
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So you are stating that AIDs has killed 35,200,000,000 people? Seems a tad high.  I don't think I need to say anything further, Kahl. |
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| Oct 9th, 2005 01:05 AM | |||||||||||||
| kahljorn | Look, i read that site, it says the theories wrong. It seems to be right up your alley. I couldn't find the actual content of that volume, though. | ||||||||||||
| Oct 9th, 2005 12:51 AM | |||||||||||||
| kahljorn |
lol, so funny you are mr ang. "I thought this wasn't your theory. Why are you expanding the conspiracy to include secret vaccines and whatnot now? If a vaccine existed, why can't people with AIDS and money attain it? Like Magic Johnson? " The vaccine was actually mentioned in his writing. Go read it. The rest was speculation since you asked a question, i was citing possible positives that could result from it. "Anthrax, despite what Command and Conquer: Generals has taught you, was originally a cattle disease. " hahaha, this is the best one. NO FUCKING SHIT. Just like this guy is saying aids was originally a couple different diseases from animals. Noticing any similarities. Moron. "they get rich OFF the poor!" No shit. That's why me saying it spreading through the poor of other people's countries where the poverty rate is higher would have a great impact on that countries stability. For the statistics: I didn't create the theory, and i told you i didn't have the numbers. The growth rate has what was it.. topped off? With the government having implemented this plan some time ago.. hey, let's look right past that. The result that the government was looking for actually happening? :LOL Dumbass ;/ I hope you understand what I'm inferring right now. That the government's plan to slow down the growth rate succeeded and you may have just given more evidence to support that theory. Thanks for doing my research for me, body  "Likewise, it's not MY job to go and seek out YOUR arguments. It's your job to present our evidense. I'm not here to wipe your ass for you. Besides, what 'referrences' have you provided? " You are such a blaring jackass. My argument was never that this really happened, but that pertaining to the TOPIC. If he can declare martial order when the bird flu starts spreading, he could have his scientists create a virus that would spread.... what the fuck is wrong with you man? Are you that stupid? USE YOUR BRAIN TO CONSIDER THE WHOLE PICTURE. Jesus christ, I'm fucked up on xanax pot and alcohol and I somehow manage to have more coherent thoughts than you? I gave you a name and the name of it. I don't care about the theory, like i said, it was just an example. I don't care if it's true. go ahead and dissprove it, th ough. http://www.righto.com/theories/strecker.html here, that's one of the first things i found about it. |
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| Oct 8th, 2005 11:53 PM | |||||||||||||
| El Blanco |
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| Oct 8th, 2005 10:09 PM | |||||||||||||
| AngPur |
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Likewise, it's not MY job to go and seek out YOUR arguments. It's your job to present our evidense. I'm not here to wipe your ass for you. Besides, what 'referrences' have you provided? Quote:
The population went from about 5.6 to 6.4 billion in the past decade. Doomsday, I think not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:W...on_history.png In fact, the RATE of population growth has leveled off, and started to decrease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:W...se_history.png And predictions have the world at only a modest 9 billion in 2050. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Population Chicken little, the sky isn't falling.  Quote:
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| Oct 8th, 2005 08:22 PM | |||||||||||||
| kahljorn |
"Every biological agent used for attacking people, or stored for later use is either a nature disease (like flinging rotting cows over castle walls, Hitler's pipedream bubonic plague bomb, or smallpox infected blankets given to the Indians) or an enhanced version of a current disease, like what some said Saddam's Dr. "Germ" was working on. " "Why make a new disease when you have plenty of perfectly good ones already?" Are you arguing with yourself? [i]It wasn't a new 'disease', it was a combination of old 'diseases' that turned into a new 'disease'[i]. The reason they'd do that would probably be to make it harder to cure? Maybe so they could already have the vaccination prepared ahead of time that they could keep secret..? Maybe so nobody would've ever heard of it or be able to easily isolate it? Maybe so it would grow faster, be more deadly and capable of rapid evolution? Stuff like that would be my guess. Let's not step outside of the box though, we better continue using shitty biological agents. I mean, why not, we are frozen in time aren't we? Anthrax is a disease. "Now, when you look at the theory of it being used in an atgtack... one what? It came from Africa. Who sees a political enemy in a larger population of poor Africans who are dying of malnutrition anyway?" Obviously you didn't go and read it even after you asked for references or you'd know the answer of that, fucko. This just shows that you are arguing from an even more shallow position than I am. Perhaps some of what you're saying has merit, but most of what you're saying is fucking ridiculous. How much bigger do you think the world is now than 1,000 years ago? Not double, the population has probably doubled in the last decade. No, the idea is that as the population gets bigger and bigger things get.. bigger. Get it? The word bigger? Now you see, the earth has only a set amount of square mileage. Human beings however continue to grow, and let's say the world population doubled every five years while the size of the earth stays the same. After a certain point the population growth would get ridiculous. Pure speculation, though, the earth continues to grow in size and fertility every year. I think the Reference details exactly what the estimated population growth rate is. The reason they used it in africa was to test it. Yea, nobody cares about Africa. That's exactly the point. Who knows, maybe they planned it so that it would come over here and infect the "Ghetto" or something. I didn't have any hand in this conspiracy, I must say. But chances are rich people don't want to be infected. They want poor people to infected. Also, what is in africa? I mean, besides some place we're fighting a war near that has alot of oil, and other natural resources including nice farm soil and who knows what else. Why would they attack africa? Why are they attacking iraq? I don't get it. Africa holds absolutely no interest to people. There's no companies or businesses there, no industry... none. The only thing that's there is poor people, like you said. Who are wasting so much land that could do the american nation a great deal of good...? i don't know, that's possible. I think culling back entire poor civilizations is an easy way to gain some profit. Some of those countries policy is to keep people poor and make yourself rich, isn't it? The disease would probably flourish better in a poor enviroment as diseases have a habit of doing. Without the poor people the countries would be alot weaker(which would make us stronger). I don't know, again, I'm speculating. The african continent is also connected to asia, and europe. However, the thing you are arguing but haven't bothered to research or read is out there with all the details for you to argue about. Quit trying to argue with me, though. You can't, really, because i don't really give a shit if it's true or not, nor do i even believe or disbelieve it. However, if you have his 'qualifications' why don't you look at his data, the part where he shows how the lamb chicken and cow virus were combined and prove it wrong scientifically. I mean, again, the scientific data is out there awaiting you, it's not just some crazy conspiracy theory. The guy was a doctor after all, and submitted his findings before the un. Unless of course this guy was never alive. Again, the end clarification: All the shit you're talking about is in the reference i gave you. Quit trying to argue me about it, go read it. I'm not going to sit here and copypaste it to the forum for you. For anyone who had actually read the article you would appear the Fool for it talks about every one of the "Points" you made. |
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| Oct 8th, 2005 06:44 PM | |||||||||||||
| AngPur |
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So you'd still have to admit that even if used to attack a populace, it's simply more likely that HIV was natural, and not made from scratch. Why make a new disease when you have plenty of perfectly good ones already? Now, when you look at the theory of it being used in an atgtack... one what? It came from Africa. Who sees a political enemy in a larger population of poor Africans who are dying of malnutrition anyway? It's laughable. Quote:
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If you were to ask me to put an estimate on how many humans the Earth can support, I'd likely have that number shattered in the future. The concept of 6 billion living people would confound a person from 1600, and he'd argue that was impossible, and it would be in his day. I'm not a jackass, I'm just being rational. |
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| Oct 8th, 2005 01:48 PM | |||||||||||||
| kahljorn |
"How about this: Instead of whining like a bitch, give us a solution." Oh.. hey.. while we were talking on this message board all the world's problems were solved... wow man. Who is whining like a bitch? I gave you guy some crackpot theory that has some back which makes it funnier. You get all, "Nnnh, it's outside my box" type mentality. |
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| Oct 8th, 2005 01:31 PM | |||||||||||||
| kahljorn |
"Why exactly is it worse now than its ever been?" I don't know, the "Six billion" people to 10,000 mentality, while before it was 1 million to 10,000 or so. You know, the most hilarious thing that you don't even consider is the actual government. Of course it'd fly right by you that the government of now isn't the government in 10 years. You see, that's what you really have to think about, they are the one's who control things(consider the resources of the government, not of man). They want the government to stay the same sometimes, and even go backwards! Population overgrowth causes giant leaps in the economy and it also causes giant deficit and stunted growth. A) More people means more people to handle in a rebellion B) More money means more government corruption, which basically equated to substandard and unsafe living. C) They genetically modify foods and need to find alternative fuel sources. Obviously things are going too well in that field, especially with oil mongers who like things to stay the same. More later, maybe. Very few people use alternative fuel sources. Case in point, no government likes change. The population growing creates *alot* of change. |
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| Oct 8th, 2005 11:15 AM | |||||||||||||
| kellychaos |
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Does this idea conflict with the following constitutional amendment if you're opposed to this method of quaratine? Your opinions. Quote:
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| Oct 8th, 2005 10:09 AM | |||||||||||||
| El Blanco |
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How about this: Instead of whining like a bitch, give us a solution. |
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| Oct 8th, 2005 07:05 AM | |||||||||||||
| kahljorn |
"AIDs/HIV related deaths are part of some big ol' bad gub'ment program is insulting to the dead and the dying." Yea, cause never has there been any kind of biological agent used to attack people. Like anthrax or something. How is it insulting that they died of anthrax? I see ghosts whispering to eachother, "Hey, that guy died of anthrax *snicker*" For the rest of your speech: Overpopulation is a concern, maybe you don't understand that double of 2 billion is alot more than double of 2 million? Remember that penny a day over 30 dollars a month thing? Disregarding food and water, what about fuel? What about corruption? What about the fact that most of that population are going to be slummy poor people with how the world is going right now. Really, once it's a big enough society the cost to keep it functioning properly gets higher and higher. There's more pollution, more eatting, more waste more crime more everything and the cost to keep things civilized or militarized enough to keep it under control keeps increasing, as well. Remember, america is a small piece of the whole. Most of the whole are poor and living in slums or private communities, but private communities would disappear with over population. I don't really see how you can argue an overpopulation problem, but you're welcome to attempt it I suppose ;/ And why do you keep saying my theory? Like I'm sporting it like a baseball cap. I don't care much about it, the fact that i didn't confront you with the facts of it should say that much, jackass. anyway, im drunk and stoned and sleepy, good night. |
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| Oct 8th, 2005 02:39 AM | |||||||||||||
| davinxtk |
I'd also like to add to AngPur's point that water is consistently arriving in our atmosphere, we do not operate on a fixed amount of h2o. That is all. |
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| Oct 7th, 2005 06:47 PM | |||||||||||||
| El Blanco |
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| Oct 7th, 2005 05:11 PM | |||||||||||||
| AngPur |
Kahljorn, for the love of all that is holy and leftist, tell me you are either: A) A conservative strawman who happens to have a really good grasp on his trade, or... B) 16 or younger, donning spiked hair and take PM5k and SOAD to be streams of truth in an otherwise crypto-fascist world. Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_conspiracy_theories But he's up there with African leaders who think AIDS isn't real or neonazis who think it's a divine method to kill off all the jews, blacks, and gays. Claiming we never went to the moon, may, at best, only insult a few hundred NASA workers and JFK... But saying the massive amount of AIDs/HIV related deaths are part of some big ol' bad gub'ment program is insulting to the dead and the dying. Now, I'd also like explained how, in a self-contained planet where the climate, biosphere and chemicals move in cyclical ways... How we can 'run out' of water. It's not like after you flush that piss down the drain it just leaks into Tartarus. It goes through artificial filters, natural filters and you again, eventually. Hell, even though most people are MADE primarily of water, they get most of that from breaking down sugar. As longs as plants and an atmosphere exist, the water will not 'run out'. As for food, yes it's true the population growth challenges old methods of farming. A 1790 technological level here could not sustain a 1990 size population, but we yet are able to do more with less. A smaller percentage of our whole farms, and as science and technology march on, more is produced from a single acre. Some parts of the world are likely to always experience famine, but as long as the sun keeps feeding plants, and the livestock who eat them... We won't face a global food crisis, and have not. How can you even say this in a world of fast-food chains, 'diet' soda and liposuction? Throughout all of human history, the only thing that has remained constant are the long line of chicken littles who say the sky is falling. Without that motive, your conspiracy is a sub-par x-files plot. |
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| Oct 7th, 2005 02:48 PM | |||||||||||||
| kahljorn |
El Blanco: The Strecker Memorandum There you go, buddy. His name is, "Dr. Strecker". Look it up, tell me what you find. The idea that the government created AIDs as a form of an environmental disaster preemptive doesn't make it sound so alarming. The human population is probably one of the biggest enviromental problems, like it says our population doubles all the time. Soon there will be no more food and water supplies for people, and the pollution will be out of control. but who knows, it could be some crazy conspiracy theory. |
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| Oct 6th, 2005 08:38 PM | |||||||||||||
| ItalianStereotype | so in the case of an epidemic outbreak of a dangerous virus, you'd be the one resisting vaccination because of your politics? | ||||||||||||
| Oct 6th, 2005 08:25 PM | |||||||||||||
| ranxer |
so if we go to martial law in some areas, will they be enforcing a mandatory vaccine? i don't trust the government and the nobid contract pharmecutical companies experimenting on me and mine. |
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| Oct 5th, 2005 10:35 PM | |||||||||||||
| El Blanco |
So.....go ahead. Tell us who this world famous doctor is and show us where we can view his work. Quote:
How many doctors or biochemists could create something like this? I'd say a pretty large number of them could, depending if they work together and if they have the resources. But no one man or woman can do all the work it would take. And here is why I just can't get into conspiracy theories: You assume that all these people motivated by greed, ambition and power who are all devious, coniving and paranoid are going to work together flawlessly (and yes, a project like this would have to be flawless). |
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| Oct 5th, 2005 08:57 PM | |||||||||||||
| kahljorn |
traditionally the end of the world is at 2012  shows what you know fattie. the story has it that it was at some kind of major health conference that the un was a part of? if you want i can find the names and such and you can tell me if it's a conspiracy theory. mr. debunks unknown theories. |
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| Oct 5th, 2005 07:08 PM | |||||||||||||
| AngPur |
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| Oct 5th, 2005 04:10 PM | |||||||||||||
| kahljorn |
this is fucking frightening. Of all things to hit the bird flu virus? It's not even capable of spreading that fast, yet, but we should fear it in case it does? That's frightening. How many doctors does the president know or have working inthe government somewhere that could "create" something like that? I heard once that some famous virologist/biologist type fellow went before the un and said that the AIDs virus was really a composite of three different animals diseases. From like a cow, a chicken and something else. He could actually show all the similarities and such. WHAT IF IT WERE TRUE? and he was going to attack the, "Democratic states" or the Godless ones. |
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| Oct 5th, 2005 09:25 AM | |||||||||||||
| mburbank |
I'm torn, here beause; A.) I ansolutely agree, the only response to an outbreak of a pandemic flu virus is to bring in the militray and utterly close donw the site, BUT I cannopt for second believe that this gang of monkeys presented with this realy trciked out ride in their garage won;t wanna take it out for at least a spin. This power is SO abusable in SO many way that it out to come with a half dozen independant watch dogs groups strapped to the hood of ever damn hummer, and a bucketload of laws about the free distribution of information. But that is never gonna happen. So get you pencils ready to chek off another major goody on the Bush Crists List. |
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| Oct 5th, 2005 09:14 AM | |||||||||||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
I think Bush is just in general panic mode. He just got hit with a natural disaster, a crisis that he couldn't "rise to the occassion" on. What he's proposing, btw, isn't a horrible idea, although it seems rather random. I think next he'll be preparing the country for asteroids. |
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