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| Sep 22nd, 2006 01:10 PM | |
| kahljorn |
the only book I've ever read about the illuminati was the illuminatus trilogy by robert anton wilson, and as max knows, that book is fucking awesome  The only thing that makes me mad about it is I can't read it without being stoned because every other second in that book they are getting stoned and going on some adventure.I've never read any other books about the illuminati but the illuminatus trilogy is the best. He writes sort of like kurt vonneguht, but better really. I reccomend everybody read it if possible. |
| Sep 22nd, 2006 12:28 PM | |
| mburbank | Illuminati bastards. |
| Sep 22nd, 2006 12:00 AM | |
| kahljorn |
OH OKAY THEN. I never did say he was a mason. It's cute when you jump on historical inaccuracies. Secondly the grand lodge of england was founded at the begining of the 18th century which means they probably existed before that but that's just common sense not really "history".. Most Freemasons might tell you that freemasonry evolved out of old mason guilds and stuff lke that and there's probably plenty of evidence supportng that. Before the 18th century I'm pretty sure the scottish masonry guilds were already founded. Also there's been plenty of other masony guilds throughout time. I was just bringing him up because they base alot of their mysticism and philosophy on him. I'm pretty sure pythagoras was one who said that man harmonizes with his surroundings, so if there's ugly things around man will be ugly and disharmonius. I could be wrong though, but imagine that in implications of "Masonry" and you could see some relative importance they might place on his philosophies. There's also more crucial symbolism like his usage of a numbers which corresponds with most other number symbols, and alot of other things. |
| Sep 21st, 2006 08:49 PM | |
| Sethomas | I was saying that Pythagoras wasn't a Mason because he was born about 2500 years too soon. |
| Sep 21st, 2006 07:30 PM | |
| Archduke Tips | All I know is that the freemasons and the illuminati are secretly creating the davinca code. |
| Sep 21st, 2006 06:09 PM | |
| kahljorn | I guess you guys didn't know freemasons existed outside of the Davinci code? |
| Sep 19th, 2006 11:15 PM | |
| kahljorn |
 yes i laughed at that too
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| Sep 19th, 2006 11:10 PM | |
| DuFresne |
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| Sep 19th, 2006 10:44 PM | |
| Abcdxxxx | OMG they're talking about Masons in a thread about Jews....Geggy just wet himself! |
| Sep 19th, 2006 10:15 PM | |
| kahljorn |
you think that who had nothing to do with masonry?? 18th century? Davinci code? I wasn't talking about the da vinci code, i was talking about real masons and the topics they base their writings on. I've never even read the da vinci code to be honest, nor his other stupid ass book. were you talking about paracelsus? I don't know if he was a mason, but i know alot of the masonic books I've read talk about him in fair detail as they do most alchemical topics. Same with pythagoras if you meant him... |
| Sep 19th, 2006 09:19 PM | |
| Sethomas |
I think that he had nothing to do with Masonry, which was produced virtually ex nihilo in the 18th Century. I thought it was delightful when The History Channel didn't even entertain the thought of any ancient lineage for them in one of their many, many Da Vinci Code specials. Not that they hold a monopoly on historical truth, but given their tendency to play with any alternative theories it was refreshing. If people want to pay for friends, sure, go for it. No different than college fraternities, I guess. I just think it's distressing to see grown men banter about Solomon's Temple and the Knights Templar in a context that can draw absolutely nothing from the two with any verisimilitude. One thing that does strike me as ironic, though, is that the Masons were founded to fill the void of hocus-pocus mysticism left by their Protestant rejection of Catholic sacraments. Ah well. |
| Sep 19th, 2006 09:19 PM | |
| kahljorn |
ritual is goofy and ridiculous but some of the approaches to the psychology of it make it seem like it could have an actual effect. personally i don't do it or pray but i do prana/breathing exercises which is basically meditation and sometimes do yoga but there's plausible physiological reasons for doing those. anyway pretty much all the works ive discussed in this thread touch on masonic topics and masonic symbolism so I would reccomend reading it if you're interested in that type of stuff. |
| Sep 19th, 2006 09:12 PM | |
| Abcdxxxx | I read a Mason's handbook of some sort. Small, old and leathern bound. It was goofy. Should have came with a 8 sided dice. (I also got to fondle a Mason's sword). It seemed like pretty harmless stuff. I just glanced though. Can't exactly discuss it beyond these surface impressions. |
| Sep 19th, 2006 09:01 PM | |
| kahljorn |
Which masonic literature have you guys read? There's alot of different types of literature(since masons are involved in many fields) most people think about their mythology/mysticism the most. Really though their mythology and mysticism is nothing but repitition of old mythology and mysticism, but I suppose that's good for people who don't know anything about old mysticism... what do you guys think of Pythagoras? |
| Sep 19th, 2006 07:56 PM | |
| Courage the Cowardly Dog | oi vei, my mother lays such guilt trips I SWEAR she is secretly Jewish. She tears through self esteem like a wolf through a passover dinner. |
| Sep 19th, 2006 03:10 PM | |
| Abcdxxxx | I have. it's very captain crunch kinda stuff. (I'm talking a lot about breakfast cerials today for some reason) |
| Sep 19th, 2006 02:53 PM | |
| kahljorn |
Masonry is a social club designed to instill good character. or they are people who build buildings ;( have you guys read any masonic literature? |
| Sep 19th, 2006 02:32 PM | |
| The One and Only... |
You were a mason? From what I've gathered, the purpose of the masons is to increase communion with the divine using the symbols of the craftsman. Perhaps I am mistaken, gathering from your experience? |
| Sep 19th, 2006 10:36 AM | |
| kahljorn |
and yes russo's right you do have to pay dues. Mine was a 175 dollar annual fee if iremember right and you have to pay more whenever you change grades. That's really not that much money, though. |
| Sep 19th, 2006 09:02 AM | |
| mburbank |
Can I be the first one to mention the Bavarian Illuminati? What do you think of the Bavarian Illuminati, OAO? Is that what you really secretly are, a Bavarian Illuminati? That would be SO AWESOME! Like you're all "Oh, I'm a big philosipher about terms I bet you never evebn heard of! No wait, now I'm a tenth level Mystic Hermetic Quablaistic Alchemist!" and like, while we're all thrown off guard and going "WOAH! OAO! I did NOT see THAT coming!" actually, secretly, the whoe time? You're like this big Bavarian Illuminati! OH! WAIT! Not a Bavarian Illuminati, what's that other thing? A douchebag. Yeah, that's it. A douchebag. |
| Sep 19th, 2006 06:35 AM | |
| Archduke Tips | Just another way to pay dues so you can have "friends." |
| Sep 18th, 2006 09:26 PM | |
| kahljorn |
you can just go to any masonic lodge and ask for an application, maybe ask them for a tour because you're interested in them. The secret is to be confident but not full of yourself, they like that kind of stuff. You have to be a "Man". Sociable and honest. the application has a picture of our past masonic presidents. Are you ready to join them? |
| Sep 18th, 2006 09:12 PM | |
| DuFresne | I've got a friend whose dad is a Mason, and my friend will be one too as soon as he turns 18. I read the philosophy of the Masons at their website, and it's pretty attractive to me to be honest. I'd have to think hard before I do it, but I might ask my friend to helo me get in. |
| Sep 18th, 2006 09:02 PM | |
| kahljorn |
there's a masonic lodge right down the street from here but I really don't see why you'd want to be a mason it's just a social club. "The primitive intellect reasoned very close to probability when it equated the fertility of the earth with the fertility of the female body, or when it regarded the rain-bearing cloud as a being capable of perception. Primitive man animated nature according to his own sensations and functions; he animated them, but he did not mysticize them, as did his successor several hundred years later. "Mysticism" here means, in the literal sense, a change of sensory impressions and organ sensations into something unreal and beyond this world. Anthropology teaches us that the devil with tail and pitchfork, or the angel with wings, is a late product of human imagination, not patterned on reality but originating from a distorted concept of reality. Both "devil" and "angel" correspond to human structural sensations that deviate basically from those of animals or primitive men." |
| Sep 18th, 2006 06:23 PM | |
| Archduke Tips | I like this thread because there are multiple conversations going on, and I am like the chorus that chimes in occasionally to comment on the action. |
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