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Feb 13th, 2004 10:29 AM | ||||||||||||
mburbank | Huh. See, I thought when a person made a point they succesfully conveyed a solid idea. | |||||||||||
Feb 12th, 2004 07:55 PM | ||||||||||||
The One and Only... | I'm not an anarchist, and most anarchists would tell you that anarcho-capitalism is not anarchist anyway because it retains a hierarchy. I was but merely making a point. | |||||||||||
Feb 12th, 2004 02:32 PM | ||||||||||||
mburbank |
You know what? You aren't talking nonsense and you're right n every way. I'm converted. I'm also on my way to get your kidneys. I hoep you've set aside funds for a private police force. You know how long you'd survive in an anarchist world? Just about as long as you could stay hidden. |
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Feb 11th, 2004 07:54 PM | ||||||||||||
The One and Only... |
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Regulations hinder flexibility. Well, that's pretty damn true. If a regulation has forced me to provide certain safety measures for my workers when an alternative could have been used just as effectively, flexibility has been hindered. And it doesn't take a genius to find an example. Lowering and raising incentives are what regulations are created for. My incentive to run a company within X industry if Y regulation makes it more expensive to do so. In a free market, the incentive purely corresponds to the information I have gathered on the aggragate demand. Quote:
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Feb 11th, 2004 07:46 PM | ||||||||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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I don't believe every person should be guaranteec a job. I do however believe that corporations that lay off workers, move corporate headquarters to p.o. boxes in Conecticut, and open up bogus accounts in Bermuda are traitors looking to increase stock value. Is Dell a corporation in need of layoffs to survive??? Let me answer that-- no. It's about cutting pennies and maximizing profit for management, period. Quote:
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You say we need simpler tax codes. Fine. I'll bite, that's cool. You're entitled to your Libertarian Party line opinion. But these people are violating the law right now. There's those who work to enact change, and then there's those who buy books written by this jackass and rape the flaws in the system. They're two different things, and you can't have it both ways. These people are using what you refer to as an inefficient system to their advantage. They should be prosecuted. Quote:
I'm glad to see that law, nation, and civic duty take a back seat to your ideological fixations. Get your head out of your ass. |
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Feb 11th, 2004 05:37 PM | ||||||||||||
mburbank |
"Regulations do nothing but hinder the natural flexibility of the market and lower or raise incentives disproportionate to the demand. " -OAO That's a nice string of words. Did you intend to back them up, or are you speaking ex-cathedra? I refer you again to the fact that the rule of law is all that prevents me from harvesting your orgns and selling them. "Oh, you mean we should force corporations to keep all their workers?" -OAO I think he said 'stop rewarding for laying off'. What are you, binary? "Why? Global competition within the banking structures will ensure higher efficiency. " -OAO It certainly has provided more and more efficient ways to launder money. "I'm a huge oppositional tool and I don't really think anything at all I just like to be a disagreable monkey and lift my tail so you can see gods light pouring out my scrunchy." -OAO Well said sir! |
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Feb 11th, 2004 04:27 PM | ||||||||||||
The One and Only... |
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Feb 11th, 2004 11:18 AM | ||||||||||||
mburbank |
Say, suppose we took all the money we blow in the 'drug war' and put it into enforcement of existing tax law? And suppose we made tax offenders due serious mandatory hard time the way we do petty drug offenders? And suppose we confiscated and sold all their property at auction on the assumption it was paid fpr by tax evasion profits? And suppose we prosecuted Black tax offenders much more vigorously and frequentlt than white tax- Oops. Sorry. ent to far with my analogy there. |
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Feb 10th, 2004 09:38 PM | ||||||||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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We need to strengthen regulation, stop rewarding corporations for laying off American workers and moving a phone and secretary to Connecticut, prosecute expatriots who set up accounts in Bermuda for treason, go after those who habitually use tax loopholes (particularly those who are rich, who happen to have more options when it comes to avoiding Uncle Sam), reinforce the IRS, send people to jail, and start whooping some ass. This isn't "idealism," this is the law. |
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Feb 7th, 2004 06:11 PM | ||||||||||||
Rez |
*snickers* *snickers* *sssstill sssssnickering* *snickering some more* *lookit dat snick* *snickerin everywhere* *snickin' time* |
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Feb 7th, 2004 03:42 PM | ||||||||||||
Perndog | The #1 reason we need a dictator with some common sense calling the legal shots instead of committees that get hung up on technicalities. | |||||||||||
Feb 7th, 2004 02:38 PM | ||||||||||||
The One and Only... |
WELL NO DAMN SHIT!!! The question is, how are you going to stop abuses of loopholes? The answer: you can't. Change the law as much as you like, legal loopholes will remain in such a complex and contradicting tax code as ours. Unless you want to take away the tax offender's right to go to court... Stop being an idealist. You can't prevent people from abusing the rules that are given. Truely "stricter" tax laws would be simpler. That's the way to prevent abuse. |
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Feb 7th, 2004 02:33 PM | ||||||||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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If people paid their taxes, and stop persuing the quack loopholes provided by criminals such as this man, the work of the IRS would be considerably less. This isn't coming from me, rather, this is coming from my fiscally conservative uncle who works for the IRS. He would probably *snicker* too at the ramblings of a naive and flippant little kid like yourself.... *snickers* |
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Feb 7th, 2004 02:25 PM | ||||||||||||
The One and Only... |
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Yes, that's all we need. The creation of even more legal loopholes and an expansion of the IRS so large that the US effectively becomes a police state. How economically sound. *snickers* |
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Feb 7th, 2004 02:22 PM | ||||||||||||
KevinTheOmnivore | The #1 reason we need stricter tax laws. | |||||||||||
Feb 7th, 2004 02:20 PM | ||||||||||||
The One and Only... | Tax evasion. Just one more reason we need a more efficient tax code. Such as a VAT-esque tax to replace the corporate-income tax, and a national sales tax with a built-in negative income "tax" to replace societal welfare and nationalized industries and services. Oh yeah!!! | |||||||||||
Feb 7th, 2004 02:06 PM | ||||||||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
Tax Protester Tells Federal Court That He Is Delusional http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/business/07tax.html February 7, 2004 Tax Protester Tells Federal Court That He Is Delusional By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON LOS ANGELES, Feb. 6 - Irwin Schiff, the nation's best-known promoter of claims that no law requires the payment of income taxes, suffers from delusions including a fantasy that he alone can properly interpret the tax laws, according to papers that he had his lawyers file in Federal District Court in Las Vegas. The filing, made on Jan. 23, is highly unusual, especially in a civil lawsuit. The document asks a judge to deny a summary judgment in favor of the Justice Department that Mr. Schiff owes $2.5 million in income taxes, fraud penalties and interest. The mental health claim is also a ruse, according to an e-mail message sent on Tuesday to Mr. Schiff's thousands of supporters by his girlfriend, Cindy Nuen. "We are sick about having to use this defense," Ms. Nuen wrote in her e-mail message. "It is ridiculous." She wrote that this defense is the only way for Mr. Schiff to escape fraud penalties because, she wrote, his lawyers are "scared" to tell judges that "the income tax law is meritless and frivolous." Mr. Schiff's personal psychiatrist, Dr. Luis Carlos Ortega of Las Vegas, wrote last year, in notes placed in the court file, that Mr. Schiff has suffered from paranoid delusions about the tax system for decades. Dr. Ortega attributes the mental illness, after a normal upbringing, to Mr. Schiff's loss of his own money and that of clients of his Connecticut insurance brokerage firm in an oil industry tax shelter decades ago. That shelter turned out to be a Ponzi scheme. "Mr. Schiff's distorted beliefs" that the tax system is a hoax "appear to have grown out of his business failures," Dr. Ortega wrote. Mr. Schiff's assertion that he is delusional comes as the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco is scheduled to hear oral arguments on Tuesday on whether Mr. Schiff can be barred from selling his book "The Federal Mafia: How the Federal Government Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully Collects Federal Income Taxes." His appeal has drawn support from the Nevada chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, the American Booksellers Association, the American Publishers Association, the American Library Association and the writers' group PEN. Mr. Schiff contends that Judge Lloyd D. George of Federal District Court in Las Vegas banned his book, although the order allows anyone to sell the book except Mr. Schiff, Ms. Nuen and an associate. The order also requires Mr. Schiff to turn over the names of all those who bought the book from him so the Internal Revenue Service can audit them. The I.R.S. says in recent years it has identified more than 5,000 returns reporting zero income, the technique taught in the book, forcing it to spend taxpayer money pursuing these individuals. Last week a promoter of a competing theory that Americans are tricked into taxes, Thurston P. Bell of Hanover, Pa., complied with a court order to give the I.R.S. a list of his clients, striking a serious blow at the so-called tax honesty movement. Mr. Schiff, a convicted tax evader, has a large core of dedicated followers, especially in Las Vegas, where he has lived since his second release from prison a decade ago. He has prospered in recent years from sales of his books and lecture fees, but he has also engaged in increasingly rancorous disputes with proponents of competing theories, like the one Mr. Bell marketed, that Americans are tricked into paying income taxes. None of these theories have had any success in court. ### |