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| Oct 22nd, 2003 04:33 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
And you can make all them neat Pollocky designs n' stuff! 
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| Oct 22nd, 2003 04:30 PM | ||
| The One and Only... |
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| Oct 22nd, 2003 04:00 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
A good gag would be to pinch the tubes every so often and watch the calibration on the diagnostic equipment for variations. I'll bring the popcorn and sody pop.
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| Oct 22nd, 2003 03:22 PM | ||
| Anonymous | Also, isn't she even worse off now, having been off the tube for a while? | |
| Oct 22nd, 2003 02:58 PM | ||
| Immortal Goat | Well, they won't get a fuckin CENT from me. How can her parents say they love her when they are keeping her in this horrible state. There ARE some things worse than death, you know. I would count her condition as one of them. | |
| Oct 22nd, 2003 08:56 AM | ||
| AChimp | They're looking for donations, that's why it's in the media. | |
| Oct 22nd, 2003 05:00 AM | ||
| blackheart |
THE WOMAN HAS BEEN IN A COMA FOR A DECADE. Everybody knows the longer you're in a coma, the longer you're suffering brain damage. Even if she "survives" she won't have the mental capacity beyond an infant or toddler. Leftists aren't protesting this because this is clearly a right-wing move. A "right to life" sort of deal. Most leftists believe in death with dignity. Especially this case. It's not like the woman is going to magically get up and do a jig after her little ordeal. This is old news, and it happens all the time. I think this whole situation is blown out of proportion, probably by the family, so they can get media attention. Take her off the life support; I think we should be worried more about the conscious instead of the brain-dead. |
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| Oct 22nd, 2003 12:27 AM | ||
| AChimp |
I wonder if her parents are willing to shell out the clams for this "rehabilitative care." Or, I know, maybe in 40 years there will be a cure for her, so she can live a long and full life once again.
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| Oct 22nd, 2003 12:09 AM | ||
| Zhukov |
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/2...man/index.html TALLAHASSEE, Florida (CNN) -- Florida Gov. Jeb Bush ordered a feeding tube reinserted into a brain-damaged woman Tuesday afternoon, less than two hours after the Legislature passed a bill allowing him to do so. Florida lawmakers gave Bush the authority in an effort to keep Terri Schiavo alive nearly a week after the tube was removed at the request of her husband, Michael, effectively overturning a court ruling that she be allowed to die. "Like the tens of thousands of Floridians who have raised their voices in support of Terri Schiavo's right to live, I have been deeply moved by these tragic circumstances," Bush said in a statement issued after he signed the bill. "My thoughts and prayers remain with Terri and those who love her." Schiavo was being cared for at a hospice in Pinellas Park but was moved Tuesday evening to a hospital in Clearwater. An attorney for Schiavo's parents said lawyers at Morton Plant Hospital told them Schiavo was being rehydrated intravenously in preparation for reinsertion of her feeding tube, which will not happen immediately. Late Tuesday, a Pinellas Circuit Court judge rejected a request from Michael Schiavo's lawyers for a temporary injunction against Bush's order. The judge gave the attorneys five days to file paperwork for a permanent injunction. Schiavo's attorneys argue that the bill authorizing Bush to reinsert the tube was unconstitutional. "It violates the separation of powers between the judicial and executive branches," attorney Debbie Bushnell said. Earlier Tuesday, a judge in Clearwater had refused to issue a temporary restraining order that Michael Schiavo's attorneys had sought, saying the filing was made in the wrong jurisdiction. The state Senate voted 23-15 on Tuesday to approve a measure allowing Bush to issue the one-time order. The tube was removed after a lengthy court battle between Terri Schiavo's husband and her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler. The bill also allows a judge to appoint an independent guardian for Schiavo, taking away guardianship from her husband. Outside the hospice, the crowd cheered and embraced after learning of Bush's signature. "I don't know what to say," said Bob Schindler. "I thank the governor, I thank everybody in the Legislature. There's a lot of people up there who pulled together. It's just incredible, totally incredible. "We've had a roller coaster ride. Hopefully, that's over now." By a vote of 68-23, the GOP-controlled Florida House approved the bill late Monday. The Schindlers had been publicly pressing Bush to intervene. He had expressed sympathy for their position but said he did not have the authority to countermand court orders allowing the tube to be removed. Terry Schiavo, 39, has been in what doctors call a persistent vegetative state since suffering heart failure in 1990. Doctors said she is responsive but shows no significant cognitive ability, and that she was left in that condition when her heart failure cut the flow of oxygen to her brain, leaving it damaged. Schiavo is not terminally ill, but because of her condition, she cannot feed herself, so the feeding tube provides her with nutrition and water. She left no written instructions about her wishes should she be incapacitated, but Michael Schiavo said she made it clear before her collapse that she did not want to be sustained with life support. "Some people do not agree with the decision the court made to remove this feeding tube. I struggle to accept it myself," Schiavo said in a statement late Monday. "But I know in my heart that it is right, and it is what Terri wants. There is no longer any realistic hope of Terri's recovery." Her parents dispute that contention, insisting that despite her medical condition, she still responds to them and could improve with rehabilitative care. Michael Schiavo collected more than $1 million in malpractice settlements stemming from his wife's collapse, but only about $50,000 of that settlement remains. The money has been frozen by the court. The hospice is caring for Schiavo free of charge. 
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| Oct 22nd, 2003 12:07 AM | ||
| Carnivore |
I'm for killing in all of its forms. People are the source of all the problems in this world. The fewer people, the better! I'm not people, though. I'm good people. There's a difference. |
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| Oct 21st, 2003 08:24 PM | ||
| The One and Only... |
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| Oct 21st, 2003 08:05 PM | ||
| Immortal Goat |
Kelly, what I was doing was arguing against those that say it IS against God's will. Like I said, I do not think that God involves Itself in the petty actions of us humans. I think that taking the feeding tube out has nothing to do with God's will, because I don't think that God has some "Divine Plan" in which we are all destined to die from something specific at a specific time. Back to the subject at hand. The husband has every right to take the tube out if there is absolutely no chance of her recovery. If she is suffering, and it is HER will to be unplugged, then by all means, end her life. |
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| Oct 17th, 2003 04:16 PM | ||
| kellychaos | I don't understand why you align what would happen "naturally" as the "will of God". Aren't we humans, and all the comforts of civilization ultimately part of nature? Couldn't the human quest for knowledge, improvement, ect also be considered "the will of God". Therefore, isn't taking her off the machines, again, against the "will of God". Where do you draw the line in your definition? | |
| Oct 16th, 2003 11:05 PM | ||
| Immortal Goat |
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In all seriousness, people who say that taking this feeding tube out and killing her is playing God don't know a damn thing about God. HAVING the feeding tube is playing God. If she would have died naturally because of her condition, then keeping her ALIVE is what is against God's will (not that I believe It cares too much about the petty affairs of human life, but oh well). Let her die naturally. I am SURE, that if Vinth were put in her situation, then he would say to pull the plug on him, too. There is NO CHANCE of her recovery, so WHY MAKE HER SUFFER?!  Oh, wait, I know why. Because Vinth is a heartless bastard. [/quote] |
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| Oct 16th, 2003 09:21 PM | ||
| AChimp |
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In this situation, as article clearly states, the doctors are saying the reactions her parents are seeing are just reflexes. |
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| Oct 16th, 2003 07:03 PM | ||
| Big Papa Goat | Ya, what about broke ass homeless people who can't afford life support to begin with? | |
| Oct 16th, 2003 06:18 PM | ||
| The One and Only... | Wouldn't the tube be a bitch to pay for? | |
| Oct 16th, 2003 04:32 PM | ||
| kellychaos | Wouldn't this fall somewhere in between euthanasia and failure to give aid ... as in passing a car accident and not calling 911, ect? I mean, you're not actively killing someone yet you're not giving them the utmost aid to ensure their survival. The closest example I can bring us is in that of some religious sects who frown on using modern medicine and leave a person's health up to the "will of God". Different motivation but with the same basic outcome. What, generally, have the courts decided in those cases? | |
| Oct 16th, 2003 01:56 PM | ||
| glowbelly |
how about ruffling your feathers then? i'm sure such a chicken-poo liberal like yourself has a few of those we could mess with. (i'm better at being vince than vince, which i guess really isn't saying much  )
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| Oct 16th, 2003 01:52 PM | ||
| mburbank |
The joke is on both of you. I am not wearing panties. |
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| Oct 16th, 2003 01:49 PM | ||
| glowbelly |
i bet your panties wouldn't be in such a bunch if the germans were just a bit more humane about euthanizing millions of your people. (that one's a freebie, vince. you don't even have to credit me for it.) |
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| Oct 16th, 2003 12:08 PM | ||
| mburbank |
I would be all in favor of actively euthanising this woman with an overdoes of Morphine, which is a quite painles way to die. Unfortunately, the laws of Florida do not agree. While witholding life support is legal, active Euthanasia is not. I suggest you write their governor a letter. He's far more likely to listen to your pro euthanasia stnce than mine, what with you being a conservative republican with Liberatarian leanings. I agree, it would be less painful, far more humane. It would also leave the doctor liable to be prosecuted for murder and the hospital open to civil action under current Florida law, which like many other states, is barbaric on this count. Your initial title about our govt. loving to murder innocent people is somewhat off base. Generally speaking, our republican leadership endources prolonging lives as long as is medically possible, regardless of brain function or suffering. While they haven't achieved that goal, they have made physician assisted suicide almost impossible, even in states that allow it. Teri Schiavo is 39 years old. Kept on a tube, she might easily live in her current condition for thirty more years or longer. I'm certain her husband wants her to suffering ended as quickly as possible. The legal system of Florida has delayed this for ten years, twice refusing to hear the case. You can be sure that as she starves, legal wrangling will continue. Your contention that she recognizes people and that her reaction to stimulai constitutes any sort of awareness beyond autonomic nervous activity contradicts what her medical team believes. What are you advocating? A change in Florida Law to allow this poor woman to die painlessly, or continuing her life mechnically? Or do you suppose anyone on any side of this actually endoreses the idea of her starving? Do you think there are some folks out there who's position is "Yes, she should be allowed to die, but only through Starvation." |
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| Oct 16th, 2003 11:32 AM | ||
| VinceZeb | This woman committed no crime. She is an innocent victim of the harshness of life. She should not, however, be forced to lie there and be STARVED TO DEATH. If they felt sorry for her and her state, they would give her a drug that would put her in a coma-like state so she could die with some sense of dignity. The woman can regonize people and gives some reaction to stimuli, she is not a complete vegetable. This is euthansia by proxy, Max. She is being killed. What would the difference be by giving her some potassium chloride? Same result, with one that would be a lot less painful and humiliating. | |
| Oct 16th, 2003 10:17 AM | ||
| mburbank |
You're against needless suffering? That's news to me. Suppose it turns out that thirteen years ago when she was still up and walking around she did things you don't approve of, like say, voting democrat or using welfare? Then could you get on board with her suffering? You're aware that the reason they're sttraving her to death and not using a lethal injection, is that Florida has laws against euthanasia? See, lethal injection is okay for covicted murderers, but not for people who have been in persistent vegitative state for thirteen years. You're aware that the Husband says, and has been saying for quite some time that his wife had made clear her desires on the subject of being kept alive? Is it your assumption he's lieing? What do you base that on? You're aware that what the court decided was who will speak for this woman who can't speak for herself, and not what to actually do with her? You're aware that you're a cretin? Are you now going to make a poorly crafted Jew joke, or do you need me to do it for you? |
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| Oct 16th, 2003 10:09 AM | ||
| VinceZeb | She is going to feel the pains of starvation while this tube is not feeding her. That is putting someone through suffering. They really don't know whether or not she wanted to die if in this condition. If they wanted her to not go on any longer but not suffer pain, they would do her in lethal injection style | |
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