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May 14th, 2004 02:04 PM
Supafly345 I don't argue politics over the internet, but I will say this: political bias' are clouding both sides of this debate.
May 14th, 2004 11:32 AM
mburbank Yeah, but see, your suffering is $500.00 less than it would have been without the tax cut! Don't you get it!?!

He has no connction whatever to our dismal economy, he'd just making it better! Shit, he gve you $500.00!! The fact that your state had to raise your taxes by more than that becuae of govrnment cuts isn't his fault, he HAD to make that cut to give whiners like you back your money!
May 14th, 2004 07:20 AM
glowbelly no, ronnie. the tax cut didn't help at all. I USED IT TO PAY BILLS AND THEN I HAD TO CUT ALL OF MY SPENDING BACK SO I COULD LIVE SEMI-COMFORTABLY. i'm not going to say that it wasn't nice to get extra money back for spending money on my education, but i still had to dish out $3000 for school, while getting $500 of it back.

and what i mean by semi-comfortably is that i am living in a horrible neighborhood in a city where police are scarce and drug dealers live in every other house, eating peanut butter sandwiches, putting $5 in my gas tank when i really, really need it and scraping up change to buy cigarettes (something i know is superflous and terrible for me, but hey, i'm addicted).

i'm not worried, though...actually, i'm quite happy. i'm just trying to show you that it's not so easy for everybody out there and the midwest states that have previously relied on industrial and manufacturing jobs are suffering in a big way.
May 13th, 2004 04:54 PM
Ronnie Raygun "in doing all of this, i'm not stimulating economic growth. i'm cutting back every way i can so i can live semi-comfortably." - Glow

I guess the tax cut helped you live more "semi-comfortably". Thank Bush for giving you back more of your own money despite the wishes of those you support.

I bought a new bass amp (American made) with my tax cut.
May 13th, 2004 02:10 PM
davinxtk
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Originally Posted by ChainsawSmash
hahahaha, look at davin! he thinks he's people!

... et cetera
You are a very painfully pink individual.
Fuck off.
May 11th, 2004 10:34 AM
glowbelly every tax penny i got back from the irs went to paying my bills.

i didn't go out on a wild spending spree with it. i paid my phone, gas, electric and rent.

how does that spur economic growth?

i had to cancel my cable, restructure my phone plan so i could save $15 a month (getting rid of long distance), go on a gas budget, cancel our subscription to the newspaper, lower my minutes on my cell phone, reduce spending on groceries, lower my automobile insurance coverage...just so we can float with about $150 extra a month for non-essentials (gas, cigarettes, the occassional ice cream).

in doing all of this, i'm not stimulating economic growth. i'm cutting back every way i can so i can live semi-comfortably.
May 11th, 2004 10:23 AM
mburbank maybe, just maybe you understand the question better today.
May 10th, 2004 07:51 PM
Ronnie Raygun I'm doing great I just don't see how the question is relevant......

Are you saying that tax cuts don't spur economic growth?
May 10th, 2004 07:00 PM
mburbank Gol, nalds, it's the same question your namesake posed, I'd have thought you recognized it.

Are you better off now than you were four years ago?

My family is not. Each year my wife and I take on more hours simply to keep my family in the same place. How are you doing?

Isn't Delta your company?
May 10th, 2004 06:35 PM
Ronnie Raygun I think I'll laugh..

As long as Kevin and Max understand....and they do.
May 10th, 2004 06:32 PM
sspadowsky
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Originally Posted by doofus
Spad, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.....

You are a complete moron if you can't understand that simple yet truthful statement.

Maybe you do understand and are just trying to be a jerk.
Maybe you're full of shit, and you know it, and you don't like being called on it.
May 10th, 2004 06:13 PM
Ronnie Raygun "Which is it, serpent-tongue?"

Spad, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.....

You are a complete moron if you can't understand that simple yet truthful statement.

Maybe you do understand and are just trying to be a jerk.

"You forget we still have all those nice food service jobs that COMPLETELY support a family. Oh and everyone who isn't, can be a doctor or engineer b/c college and especially grad school is so affordable." - Punky

What is your solution...."EVERYTHING IS FREE!"?

"I think most folks on this board are well aware of this. Your solution for this however seems to be, "well, they have done a great job avoiding their taxes, so let's reward them for it!" - Kevin

Don't forget that a corporation only exists to make money. Secondly, it's not some rich CEO who is reaping the rewards of a tax cut....it's the consumer.

"Corporations can afford paying taxes and wages. They did it throughout the 1950s, and Americans had jobs and lived in relative comfort. I realize the global scene has changed drastically, however, I'll say it again-- corporations can handle the taxes." - Kevin

I'd say that if they could handle it they wouldn't be looking for lost costs over seas considering that "the vast majority" of American made products are superior. Especially in today's economic environment, I don't think U.S. companies really want to outsource.

Max, I don't mind answering your question.....but I don't really see how it's relevant......Unless you are trying to say that tax cuts don't spur economic growth....? Is that what you are saying?
May 10th, 2004 11:13 AM
mburbank Nalds, I've posed this question to a few folks on the board, it's your turn now.

Did you get a raise last year? if you did, did it give you more money than the cost of your health insurance, gasoline, heating oil or whatever you use to heat your house going up?

I'm not an economist, but that's the measure of my day to day life, and this is (despite the generous bush tax cut, which didn't pay even one heating bill for me) the third consecutive year that my raise is less than my increased costs. It is getting harder fo m to get by. In order to tread water, I have to cut back. That's the economic reality for me and most of the people I know. And I was lucky enough to be employed for most of the last three years. How have things been for you?
May 10th, 2004 09:39 AM
KevinTheOmnivore
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Originally Posted by Ronnie Raygun
What none of you seem to understand is that while corporations are taxed...they don't in fact pay taxes.

Can you grasp that?

Do you understand that they are just going to pass the cost of taxes on to the consumer so that anytime THEY are taxed it just ends up being a tax increase on YOU.

You probably have never realized that because you are more concerned with hating who you precieve as being rich.
I think most folks on this board are well aware of this. Your solution for this however seems to be, "well, they have done a great job avoiding their taxes, so let's reward them for it!" Corporations can afford paying taxes and wages. They did it throughout the 1950s, and Americans had jobs and lived in relative comfort. I realize the global scene has changed drastically, however, I'll say it again-- corporations can handle the taxes.
May 10th, 2004 02:53 AM
punkgrrrlie10 You forget we still have all those nice food service jobs that COMPLETELY support a family. Oh and everyone who isn't, can be a doctor or engineer b/c college and especially grad school is so affordable.
May 10th, 2004 01:41 AM
sspadowsky
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Originally Posted by doofus
They outsource because they are the 2nd highest taxed in the world.
OK... moving on to....

Quote:
Originally Posted by doofus
What none of you seem to understand is that while corporations are taxed...they don't in fact pay taxes.
Which is it, serpent-tongue?

Quote:
Originally Posted by doofus
Can you grasp that?
What? The fact that you can talk out of both sides of your mouth with such an utter lack of verbal dexterity?


Quote:
Originally Posted by doofus
That's completely irrelevent. We have the 2nd highest taxed corporations in the world. When you factor that with the fact that corporations exist soley to make a profit you begin to understand why they are leaving.
OK, so corporations don't pay taxes, but they're so heavily taxed that that's what is causing them to outsource jobs to the extent that they are? You either have the worst case of short-term memory loss since Tom Hanks, or you're the biggest moron that ever walked this Earth, Ronnie. I've never before seen someone, not even since that Chagroth idiot, that could contradict himself so many times in the same thread without even realizing it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by doofus
AND?!?!
AND, you're a self-contradicting jackass. Pick one side or the other. Lying doesn't become even a person so lacking integrity as yourself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by doofus
I'm saying that high taxes are to blame for outrsourcing.
So corporations don't pay taxes, yet taxes on corporations are to blame for outsourcing. My God, you're dumb. At least TRY to make a consistent effort to defend the people you're defending. Why don't you do backfilps while you're spouting this shit?

Quote:
Originally Posted by doofus
ALL the jobs aren't gone.
No, they're just in other countries, because it's cheaper for the corporations to take that route rather than pay the taxes they're supposed to pay.
May 9th, 2004 11:06 PM
punkgrrrlie10 Minimum wages, regulation of health and safety, worker's comp, law suits based on products that hurt the consumer.... let's do away with all of it.
May 9th, 2004 10:04 PM
Rez MINIMUM WAGE creates outsourcing.
exploit the people.
May 9th, 2004 09:57 PM
Drew Katsikas
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royal Tenenbaum
If only the State was allowed to control the markets. Then everything would be fine.
no
May 9th, 2004 09:51 PM
Ronnie Raygun ALL the jobs aren't gone.
May 9th, 2004 09:45 PM
punkgrrrlie10 Yet if all the jobs are gone, people don't have the money to buy the products anyway even if they are less costly.
May 9th, 2004 09:12 PM
Ronnie Raygun Agreed.
May 9th, 2004 09:04 PM
Anonymouse So many people ignorant of economics in here, it would be almost pointless to discuss it now. When people believe that "government creates prosperity" what is the point in engaging in an economics discussion when government is the only thing that hampers on productivity.
May 9th, 2004 08:43 PM
Ronnie Raygun "Wait I'm confused."

Yes you are.

"An earlier post of yours in this same thread says they outsource b/c they are the 2nd highest taxed but now you say they don't pay taxes..."

AND?!?!

"You say they exist to make a profit and they just pass the tax onto consumers making their profit exactly the same as it would be if they did or did not outsource."

No, because they have to raise the overall price of their products which tends to stiffle a buyers market and econmic growth as a whole....Get it?

"So what are you exactly saying is good here?"

I'm saying that high taxes are to blame for outrsourcing.
May 9th, 2004 08:19 PM
Rez
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