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| Jun 17th, 2003 07:16 PM | |||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
May I join the condescension circle??? YOUNG PEOPLE IS STUPID! IF THEY DISAGREE, THEY WRONG!!  Any questions?? |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 06:03 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
Preechr Teel me about it.....there are couple here who scare the hell out of me sometimes. 
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| Jun 17th, 2003 05:59 PM | |||
| Preechr |
Well it would be kinda silly to try and build my Dark, Teeming Legions with recruitment efforts aimed at bitter, old people that already hate the world, now, wouldn't it? MUHUHAHAHA!!! *tents fingers* Seriously, I got that already. I've said exactly one million times over on my board that I am continually impressed by the quality of "kid" one finds on message boards, once you find a way to reach them. I don't remember being as advanced as these guys are when I was their age, and I was a bright kid. Limitless possibilities exist with them, and it pisses me off to see our world squander their abilities and ignore them to the point of alienating them entirely. Gotta go now. Dinner Reservations. Y'all have fun. I've had a blast so far! |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 05:49 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
LOL Um....butthead.....LOL You might want to bear in mind that many of the people in these forums are quite young. Just out of high school for a lot of them. Some still in college. You get the point. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 05:38 PM | |||
| Preechr |
Verrrrry Admirable. I think you believe I'm picking on you guys here, but that's not my intention. I asked that question originally in the context of the original debate concerning the right or role of the government in providing safety nets for citizens. The insurance bit sorta sprung out of that. I agree that there is a role for government in providing for those that cannot do so for themselves, just not in the role that government has assumed for itself within the last 60 years. I think I've already explained how power over and responsibility for one's life should radiate outward from the individual, losing much of it's strength by the time Federal Government gets a lick. The time that you and Max spend "giving back," so to say, fits right in there. You guys are not the problem. Many of those that have yet to answer, because they have nothing to say, are the problem. They are the ones that are all about charity and support for the needy... just so long as SOMEBODY ELSE does the work and provides the money. They are seeking to punish folks that have more than they do, not help the less fortunate. If their concern was truly for the needy, they would be helping the needy, not bitching about Bill Gates not giving his fair share. My point was to show people like you that you are in very, very bad company. Let's sit back and watch if that happens. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 04:57 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
Oh Boy Burned - I know you responded to it, and I followed up. My follow up was in part what preechr responded to. There was also the "miles apart" section. It's not a biggie. I just have to remember to be more clear who's post I am responding too. That's something I don't often have to do around here. Hell some of our comments cross threads and most people still follow them. Preechr - As I am not one of your Oh-so-concerned, I didn't feel I needed to respond. However, since you would like one, here it is. I also don't give money to a charity. I give it to my grandmother who refuses any assistance from outside sources. She rasied me and it is the least I can do make her as comfortable as she made me while I was growing up. As for time, I volunteer at the special ed grade school where I used to work. The severely handicapped kids touched me such a way that even after I quit I wanted to be around them. I also donate art supplies to the same school when I can. Additionally I do volunteer work for GYRO's World of Terror. An organization whos profits go to aid several of the "keeping kids off of drugs" programs (okay, I know.....humorous to those of you that know me) For 3 months out of the year I put in 4 hours a day after work, 10 hours on Saturdays and 8 hours on Sundays. Usually I work security. Sometimes I help wioth marketing or with the actors. Depends on who needs it more when I sign up. Personally, I don't see how this relates to insurance, but there is your answer. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 04:27 PM | |||
| Preechr |
Totally missed that. Sorry. I actually did assume SOME of you are charitable. Law of large numbers and all that... I wouldn't have asked the question had I not had any idea of the answer. I asked and answered it to make a point, which I'll probably finish up later if I get any more replies. Very admirable, Max. But if it's a Vince-ism you're looking for, I could say something about a Jew donating his time instead of his money... Eh... bad jokes aren't my forte. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 04:18 PM | |||
| Burned In Effigy |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 04:00 PM | |||
| mburbank | I did and you completely ignored it . Did you miss it, or were you just put off by the fact that you assumed none of us did, and I do? | ||
| Jun 17th, 2003 03:39 PM | |||
| Preechr | "How many of you Oh So Concerned and Sensitive citizens actually donate your own money to charities that protect old people from Financial Death due to their age? I see no hands being raised. I suppose that's something you only care enough about to bitch when other people don't get forced to put THEIR money where YOUR mouth is, right?"~me, earlier... | ||
| Jun 17th, 2003 03:32 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
LOL My comment about being an expert was for Burned. It was in response to a post he/she made. (I guess this why they use so much copy and paste on NewsFilter.....I'm just used to people remembering recent posts in a thread. Sorry, my bad) Quote:
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| Jun 17th, 2003 03:30 PM | |||
| Burned In Effigy |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 03:18 PM | |||
| Preechr |
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Either way, we can agree to disagree if you wish. My as yet unanswered question is really more important to this debate than my profession. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 03:10 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
Insurance And where did you get your information? College? Books? Websites? Someome else told you? Or practical experience? As someone who has had to run budgets (some for government funds) over and over and over and over.....and has done this along side people who have degrees in accounting......I can assure that what you learn in school and how it works in the real world can be miles apart. And I hope you are more of an expert in your field than someone who hasn't ever worked in it. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 03:02 PM | |||
| Jeanette X |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 02:59 PM | |||
| Preechr |
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I don't particularly enjoy the throwing darts at each other side of internet forums, but I understand that to not participate in kind when attacked is to be "OWNED" or whatever. If you guys want to leave your barbs at the door, I will do so as well. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 02:53 PM | |||
| AChimp |
Healthcare rocks.  You just need lots of resources for it to operate smoothly, which is Canada's only problem. The idea is sound and benefits everyone, but people have to put stuff in for it to work. Of course, there are always whiners like Vinth who will take what is given to them and bitch and moan about it all the way. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 02:48 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
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BTW - have you seen what health and dental coverage costs in CA? It is way less expensive for employers to cover it. Most Californians would rather take the $35000.00 a year job with insurance than the $38000.00 without. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 02:46 PM | |||
| Burned In Effigy | So just b/c you work in a field means only you can have an opinion or know anything relevant or have information that is debate worth? Come on, well all know that isn't true in any case. I'm a Cop, so anything related to my field I know more about than anyone on here? | ||
| Jun 17th, 2003 02:44 PM | |||
| mburbank |
That's kind of snotty. Maybe she just disagrees with you. It is possible to disagree with you AND not be stupid. It would a little arrogant to assume you had some kind of stranglehold on objective truth. I mean, any old idiot can think they have the deed to the truth. See, I think a societal safety net is a good idea. Apart from simple compassion, I might need it myself one day, and if I do, I'd like it to be there. Sure, the system gets abused and taken advantage of, but if systems didn't get abused what would Bechtel do when they want to overcharge for government contracts? I don't think that means we should scrap the Pentagon. Now, you may disagree with all that. That doesn't mean you need to sue your college. You know, if you went to one. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 02:40 PM | |||
| kellychaos | Seriously! Are you really going to debate the costs of private insurance versus company endorsed insurance with a person who works in human resources for a living and expect to earn any credibility? Go back to NewsFarter please. | ||
| Jun 17th, 2003 02:27 PM | |||
| Preechr |
It's complicated, and I didn't really expect you to fuly get it the first go round... I’m not really a mind reader, so for the sake of simplicity we’ll speak hypothetically. Let’s say your company produces widgets for profit. Any money diverted from the income derived from your companies sales of widgets, say to employ HR people to manage employee benefits and whatnot, is a loss no matter how much you wish to sugar-coat it or “Yes, but…” me. Remember: indirect profit is still a financial loss. It’s just managed better. Your department doesn’t directly profit your company. You are a conceded loss to your employer. Thanks for playing. You are obviously not considering the total cost of your company’s entitlement programs, both financial and human. Think it through again, looking at the big picture, and if you have further questions, file a lawsuit against the college you attended. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 02:26 PM | |||
| The One and Only... |
On Healthcare: My opinion is that this should be provided for by taxes. Yep, borrow from socialism on this one, because the system works. First of all, it's the most fair. There are those who can't afford health insurance, whose jobs do not provide it, and need medical attention. It is not their fault that they had a heart attack and that they don't have a decent job because of their 80 IQ. Second, it'd cheaper overall. Whether you pay for insurance indirectly through your job or directly through you, chances are you will save more money from the taxes increase. I say "chances are" and "overall" because this is not always the case - an example would be those who don't have health insurance anyway, but never have anything seriously wrong with them. Why would it be cheaper overall? Think about it. Insurance companys are a business. That is, they're goal is to make large amounts of profit. The government has no reason to raise taxes higher than the amount to cover healthcare and pay it's workers; they need no profit. In fact, with the reputation the U.S. has, they wouldn't raise it enough and we'd be in debt. The only downside is that many workers will be fired as healthcare insurance goes down the tubes and doctors no longer work independantly. But then, the government will surely need to hire those doctors again, and I'm sure that there are plenty of openings that those insurance workers could fill in the new system... Many times, I wonder why our government does not truly progress. Rather than changing things that are generally beneficial to all, they seem to flip-flop on issues teeming with morals and having vast numbers of people on both sides so that no one will end up happy (abortion anyone?). I'm not sure whether it sickens me, saddens me, angers me, or all at the same time. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 01:58 PM | |||
| Vibecrewangel |
Insurance Boy you sure must be a hell of a mind reader to know think. Golly, I had no idea that what my company pays out for insurance for me could have gone into my pocket. But that $180.00 for both medical and dental is hell of a lot less than what I would pay for insurance on my own. See, I've had to pay for health care on my own and I've done it both with and without insurance. I have made the choice to make sure my employer covers it because it is cheaper for them to do it then it is for me. Interestingly enough, we have the option of taking the dollar value of what they pay for our insurance if we choose to do so. The only ones who do are the ones who have better insurance through their spouse or other source. And before you ask, I work in HR. I know what is paid out per person. |
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| Jun 17th, 2003 01:48 PM | |||
| Preechr |
Ahh... you are one of those that believe your company provides you with benefits at no cost to you then... I see. Newsflash. Thanks to government meddling in Healthcare (ever heard of COBRA or HIPA?) your health and dental insurance costs your company much more than you would pay for it were you to purchase it on your own. Don't run out and buy your own just yet, though, expecting to be compensated by your employer. The government has fucked private healthcare insurance. The only kind worth a shit now is employer provided. Without that interference, you'd be able to spend ALL of the money your employer spends on employing you, saving a hell of a lot more than $50 per month. Similarly, were you to wrest the control of your retirement income from DC, you'd potentially have a lot more than $800/month to look forward to in your waning years... |
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