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| Feb 28th, 2004 08:13 AM | |||
| Pub Lover |
I also read about this bac kin the 80's, I remember turning to the guy with me & laughing at the idea of no one listening...  No, wait! I'm still laughing, hahaha, We're so screwed! 
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| Feb 28th, 2004 08:05 AM | |||
| Perndog |
David, did you read about Peak Oil at all? We're not going to run out of oil. Instead, the price of it is going to rise so it becomes impossible for us to depend on it like we do. Instead of drying up, the oil wells will just involve a lot more work and demand a lot more resources to keep running. And if predictions are true, this will happen a lot quicker than 50 years. Again, if predictions are true, there can be no "easing it off" because the crisis is already at hand. |
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| Feb 27th, 2004 10:20 PM | |||
| davinxtk |
On the subject of vandalism: http://www.banksy.co.uk/ http://www.stencilrevolution.com/ |
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| Feb 27th, 2004 10:11 PM | |||
| DamnthatDavid |
Yes, I see the problem, but you can not just suddenly cut off oil. You need to ease it off, transition like. The next step would be Hydrogen, Hybrids And it will last maybe 50 years before: A: They find a renewable energy source to replace oil. (I going for thermal) B: We all die in a nuclear war over the last remaining oil fields. I still think the half in oil need is off a bit. Most hydroelectric dams don't run at full capacity. I know the ones in the Northwest don't. |
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| Feb 27th, 2004 08:23 PM | |||
| Perndog |
Okay, look at it this way. 60% of oil consunption in the US is for transportation. The best estimates put final energy output of hydrogen fuel cells at twice that of gasoline, cutting consumption by transportation in half and reducing the total consumption of the US by 30%, while it rises every year and will probably make up for that 30% in a decade or less. See the problem? |
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| Feb 27th, 2004 07:55 PM | |||
| DamnthatDavid |
The fucking biggest drain on the worlds oil supply IS VEHICLES. We have enough clean energy resources scattered around that we could make the remaining oil reserves last 10 times longer. IF we do something about automobiles. Look at Japan, if they fucking switched to Hydrogen cars, they will be totally independent of oil as an energy source. They all fucking powered by Nuclear Energy right now. Sure, the nukes won't last forever, but they will fucking last long enough for us to come up with something new. |
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| Feb 27th, 2004 07:42 PM | |||
| Perndog |
Okay, I guess I need another all caps post. THE ISSUE ALSO DOESN'T HINGE ON THE CARS PEOPLE DRIVE, BECAUSE OIL IS USED FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, TOO. QUIT FUCKING BRINGING UP CARS IN A THREAD ABOUT A POSSIBLE WORLDWIDE ENERGY CRISIS. |
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| Feb 27th, 2004 07:35 PM | |||
| DamnthatDavid |
Hydrogen, yes, takes energy to make, but not as much as you think. It will be cheaper, and use less oil (For the Power Plants) to power one hydrogen car for a year, then a standard gasoline powered auto. Oh fucking well, they have to built 1 more powerplant dedicated to powering a hydrogen plant. That one Power Plant will still use less oil then it would take to keep a local populace driving around in Gasoline gars. Hydrogen is not the final solution, but it a step forward. Until we discover a abundent energy source, we will just have to cut back on the fuel consumption. Thermal Energy is the way to go. |
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| Feb 27th, 2004 06:12 PM | |||
| The One and Only... |
Yeah... I never really understood where that misconception came from in the first place... The hydrogen still needs to be seperated by electrical pulses, generated by (TA-DA!!!) oil. Hydrogen cars are like a tax on environmentalists that don't know any better. |
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| Feb 27th, 2004 06:00 PM | |||
| Perndog |
DAMN IT, HYDROGEN POWER DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS! HYDROGEN IS NOT A FUCKING ENERGY SOURCE! 
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| Feb 27th, 2004 05:27 PM | |||
| Zebra 3 |
- I've been aware of so-call "Peak Oil" as far back as 1983, ya fuckin' drama queen! - Anyways, check out a company that made hydrogen powered vehicles into a reality, Ballard.com.
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| Feb 26th, 2004 05:42 PM | |||
| Perndog |
Well he did say "no less," meaning his belief could be considerably more absurd than that one.
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| Feb 26th, 2004 05:34 PM | |||
| The One and Only... |
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| Feb 25th, 2004 09:26 PM | |||
| Perndog | Yeah, I kinda thought that too. | ||
| Feb 25th, 2004 09:21 PM | |||
| Emu |
I think those people should be beaten for wearing those costumes. 
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| Feb 25th, 2004 09:19 PM | |||
| Perndog | I find it absurd that you believe you own your car just because you had sufficient slips of paper to trade for it. Therefore, it is okay for me to steal your car. | ||
| Feb 25th, 2004 09:15 PM | |||
| derrida |
Quote:
 PLEASE FUCKING BEAT US |
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| Feb 25th, 2004 09:00 PM | |||
| Perndog |
Vandalism is the destruction, defacement, or devaluing of another person's property. If it's not yours and you fuck with it, you're a vandal and you deserve a beating. The only way billboards could possibly considered a form of vandalism is if you think the ground they are placed on is the universal property of mankind, and if you believe that you also deserve a beating. |
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| Feb 25th, 2004 08:54 PM | |||
| derrida |
What about graffiti? Most people would consider it art, but it's still vandalism! Are billboards vandalism? I think vandalism can be a good thing. |
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| Feb 25th, 2004 08:00 PM | |||
| Perndog |
All vandals of any kind should be punched in the teeth repeatedly. As soon as I own a house I will also equip it with solar panels; the problem is that they may run your house but they will be inadequate to sustain industry. |
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| Feb 25th, 2004 07:58 PM | |||
| ranxer |
wind or solar shouldnt really stand alone.. together they can handle most reasonable household uses. i'll stick with the old lead acid batteries for storage though, hydrogen is a little tricky. this is my preparation for peak oil, um and getting a motorcycle. oh and tagging suv's for fun with that sticker "I'm changing the Environment, ask me how" - kinda like therapy for the gas hog haters
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| Feb 25th, 2004 01:06 AM | |||
| derrida | Why not firewood and draft animals? | ||
| Feb 24th, 2004 11:53 PM | |||
| DamnthatDavid | Our best chances are thermal, hydroelectric dams (even if it kills the river) and tidal generators. | ||
| Feb 24th, 2004 07:23 PM | |||
| Perndog | No one mentioned wind power, but you're right, and the same goes for solar power. Both are horribly unreliable. | ||
| Feb 24th, 2004 06:30 PM | |||
| The One and Only... |
I'm waiting for the sunlight powered vehicles. And on an unrelated note... wind power is not as damn impressive as you think it does. It takes up a large amount of space, and oil is still required as a backup energy source because of how fickle the weather can be. |
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