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Nov 8th, 2003 10:24 PM
Perndog In the US, education is a right - anyone can educate himself, even a prisoner.

"Education", as in going to school, is a responsibility, meaning you damn well better do it, even if it makes you dumber, unless your parents care enough to pull you out of it.
Nov 7th, 2003 06:12 PM
Zebra 3 In Canada, education is a provincial responsibility. Elementary and secondary education in Ontario for example is governed by the Education Act and any amendments made to that Act.
Nov 7th, 2003 04:31 PM
The One and Only... I want to see the law, and I want to see when it was added.
Nov 7th, 2003 09:12 AM
mburbank Vinth defines 'rights' as things which he thinks are 'rights'. It's a great way to define things. If you're an idiot.
Nov 6th, 2003 11:35 PM
Big Papa Goat Education isn't a right, its a responsibility.
Nov 6th, 2003 10:33 PM
Brandon
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Originally Posted by VinceZeb
Education is not a right. Never has been, never will be. It is a gateway to the pursuit of happiness, but you can pursue happiness without it.
Our laws say it's a right.
Nov 6th, 2003 09:37 PM
VinceZeb Education is not a right. Never has been, never will be. It is a gateway to the pursuit of happiness, but you can pursue happiness without it.
Nov 6th, 2003 06:21 PM
The One and Only... Competition. Say it with me now, kids. C-O-M-P-E-T-I-T-I-O-N.

Plus, what are the odds of the worse case scenario? My guess: not very high.

Burbank, I just felt like throwing the term retard around. Sometimes it takes a Vinthian comment to get the point across. But despite all that, would please site where education is a right? I never saw that in the BoR...
Nov 6th, 2003 02:30 PM
AChimp
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If worse came to worse, we could simply force all schools to accept all students, regardless of special needs, etc. Then, no one is excluded. Do I believe that should be the approach we take? No. I do, however, think it is still a much better alternative to state-provided schools.
And how would that be any different from public school, if worse came to worse?
Nov 6th, 2003 01:54 PM
mburbank Vinth is funnier.
Nov 6th, 2003 12:59 PM
Protoclown I'm honestly not sure what's funnier. VinceZeb's actual posts or Max Burbank's dead-on parodies of them.
Nov 6th, 2003 12:19 PM
!!!! No schools!
Nov 6th, 2003 09:59 AM
mburbank OAO.

In answer to gives a shit about who educates 'retards', you need look no further than your own teachers. You scruple at 'personal attacks' and yet you say 'retard' the Vinth says Jew.

"Education is not a right, it's a privelidge! "

In what country? In ours, education is a right.
Nov 6th, 2003 09:35 AM
mburbank "Watching Walter even attempt to act like he knows anything about math is like watching a dog try to work a doorknob."
Vinth 'irony blind' Clambake

Oh, Sure, Vinth! Way to throw up a insult on the maker of a arguments without ever having had a decent talking back to the argument itself! That's the gold standard of the guy with the jizz on his face from another guy who forced a blow job on him to boot! It's one thing to attack me and i don't even care at all but when you attack someone like walter only for having had the courage to speak up his free speech on the subject of trying to make a better thing with the world it just shows you up for the closed minded robot sucker of jizz out a asshole of a person who doesn't even know you are not a gilr for five bucks with a crazy stray!
Nov 5th, 2003 09:48 PM
The One and Only... You would be amazed how many teachers are not qualified for their job.

Yes, I know what special education entails, I just like throwing around the term retard. It was fun. On another note, however: do you honestly believe that parents who have children with special needs in such areas could not find a tutor? Do you have a particular problem with school away from home? I sincerely believe that the number of cases where nothing can be found would be small, and that they do not justify a failing system.

If worse came to worse, we could simply force all schools to accept all students, regardless of special needs, etc. Then, no one is excluded. Do I believe that should be the approach we take? No. I do, however, think it is still a much better alternative to state-provided schools.
Nov 5th, 2003 08:46 PM
Perndog On a side note, do you really think generic special education teachers are equipped to teach both A) physically fit retards and B) mute and wheelchair-bound geniuses?
Nov 5th, 2003 06:30 PM
Vibecrewangel
:D
And yet he makes mention of "MY" personal attack on his mother.

I see he missed the irony completely.


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Well then, where is the issue? I thought the argument was that retards wouldn't receive anything to their advantage since the demand would not be high enough in some areas. Obviously, demand is high enough where you live, so I can't say I see the problem.
Unlike you, I don't believe that the area I live in is the only area. What about areas where the demand isn't high enough? You really think that a free market school system will take care of these kids?

And as a side note I'd like to point out that Stephen Hawking would be considered a "retard" in this country as you so gently put it. It's called special education, and encompasses both physically and mentally challenged students. Autistics are also most often above genius level in at least one area. And with proper schooling many can live very normal lives.

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Some schools might charge more and be made for the rich, but private schools like that already exist.
And they should.

But you didn't address my point that you are creaing the same dynamic with the potential to be far worse.
Nov 5th, 2003 06:24 PM
VinceZeb Watching Walter even attempt to act like he knows anything about math is like watching a dog try to work a doorknob.
Nov 5th, 2003 06:05 PM
Zebra 3
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Originally Posted by The One and Only...
About the retards. You know what? WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT A RETARD'S EDUCATION. There is only so much a retard can use!!! My mother teaches retards algebra, and bitches about all. the. time. Education is not a right, it's a privelidge!
With this kind of reply I had to revise the latest The One and Only stats: the probability that you're a trailer park Republican has risen from 80% to 82%, with a drop that you're an I-Mockery satirical character from 15% to 13%, while the chances that you're one of Vinth's bum buddies, or Vinth himself remain unchanged at 4.5% and 0.5% respectively.
Nov 4th, 2003 07:57 AM
The One and Only...
Re: wow
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Originally Posted by Vibecrewangel
Perhaps your mother shold stop bitching and get off her lazy ass and find a better job. Maybe at a private school where she won't have to teach "retards". Or does that only apply to whiny liberal bastards? Or....is she just not good enough to get a better job?
No other job open, but I don't think your going to get your point across with personal attacks.

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One case? My district alone had 6 schools / 24 classes with an average of 19 students per class. Every district in the county had numbers in that range. Simply because they had classes for different levels so that these kids could "have classes they could use" and learn skills for the future.
Well then, where is the issue? I thought the argument was that retards wouldn't receive anything to their advantage since the demand would not be high enough in some areas. Obviously, demand is high enough where you live, so I can't say I see the problem.

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And what happens when tuition in better schools goes higher? Then the $5000.00 voucher won't cut it. Thus, richer kids in richer schools and poorer kids in poorer schools. HHmmmmmm looks like the same dynamic under a different system. And since there is no gaurantee of at least some form of standard education, it has the potential to be worse than the current system.
Why do you think that tuition would raise out of nowhere? Business owners don't want to cut out an entire source of profit when they can provide quality education for less. If anything, competition would keep their prices low.

Some schools might charge more and be made for the rich, but private schools like that already exist. You cannot eliminate that unless you ban private schools. In any case, are you denying that parents who want a better education for their child should be able to spend more on it?

http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-023.html
Nov 3rd, 2003 10:27 PM
Perndog Bennett, if you're serious about everything you're saying, you're my new best friend.
Nov 3rd, 2003 05:32 PM
Vibecrewangel
wow
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About the retards. You know what? WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT A RETARD'S EDUCATION. There is only so much a retard can use!!! My mother teaches retards algebra, and bitches about all. the. time. Education is not a right, it's a privelidge!

Moreover, a retard's parent could use a voucher to *gasp* HIRE A TUTOR. Sounds like our little retard just got his classes - not only that, but ones that he can use!!! Hooray for retard!!!
Perhaps your mother shold stop bitching and get off her lazy ass and find a better job. Maybe at a private school where she won't have to teach "retards". Or does that only apply to whiny liberal bastards? Or....is she just not good enough to get a better job?

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ONE CASE DOES NOT JUSTIFY FEDERAL INTERVENTION
One case? My district alone had 6 schools / 24 classes with an average of 19 students per class. Every district in the county had numbers in that range. Simply because they had classes for different levels so that these kids could "have classes they could use" and learn skills for the future.



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Also, you have no idea about how vouchers would work if you think that poor kids = poor schools. We could easily give poor families that 5,000 dollars for a decent school while saving a ton of money.
And what happens when tuition in better schools goes higher? Then the $5000.00 voucher won't cut it. Thus, richer kids in richer schools and poorer kids in poorer schools. HHmmmmmm looks like the same dynamic under a different system. And since there is no gaurantee of at least some form of standard education, it has the potential to be worse than the current system.

I have nothing against private schools, I just don't think it is the way to go across the board.
Nov 3rd, 2003 04:50 PM
Bennett The odd genius would find a way to flourish, just like the duck-billed platypus and Carrot-top with the hot-chicas in the
1-800-c-a-l-l-a-t-t commercials.
Nov 3rd, 2003 04:45 PM
The One and Only... Ah, but that can kill the opportunity for the odd genius, and lowers the educated working base (which we need).
Nov 3rd, 2003 04:39 PM
Bennett NO. Forget about vouchers if the people's parents are too stupid to get a good enough job to pay for private schools, then their kids will be too stupid to deserve/afford a first-class education. Natural selection. Maybe sleeping with your head in a gas oven will clarify the situation for you.
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