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Jul 15th, 2003 08:59 PM

Drew Katsikas

Alrighty, I was just making an educated guess, but we still don't know who filmed it either. Even if it was the miltary, that proves nothing.

Jul 15th, 2003 07:31 PM

Abcdxxxx

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Originally Posted by DrewKatsikas

Well, if I'm not mistaken, the miltary has more important things to do than film, which is why the mdeia is over there.

I'm not in disagreement with you but thought you should know that our military actually spends huge amounts of money documenting battle. There are tons of photographers, and filmmakers in uniform. The military probably does more independent processing of film then anyone except the NFL who own their own labs...and might even have them beat

Jul 15th, 2003 07:24 PM

Abcdxxxx

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Originally Posted by ranxer

abcdx

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One thing that came out, and that most version of ths story ignore is the involvement of Mossad. The CIA confirmed this.

do you have a link?

I'm sure you could find one. I think I posted about this before. Some Senator confirmed it during a press conference, and even stopped in the middle to go and call the CIA to make sure. Major media covered it at the time. As far as I know the story was burried rather then refuted.

Jul 15th, 2003 06:04 PM

Drew Katsikas

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Originally Posted by Zhukov

". And if I am not mistaken, it was the military that filmed the whole evacuation, heroics and all. :/

Well, if I'm not mistaken, the miltary has more important things to do than film, which is why the mdeia is over there. Considering this, I believe the media was responsible for the blowing out of proportion.

And you Ranxer. Oooh, he called me drewkads! Holy shit! He's witty. Maybe I'll call him RANKsirr! LOLLOLOLOL. Or maybe, Suxor! Damn, I'm good.

You still haven't fought my argument. All you say is that you enjoy posting conspiracy theories. But don't you realize you fight to win support for your anti-american socialist cause, and you do a poor job, posting questionable theories and being a cliche using prick?

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Jul 15th, 2003 10:22 AM

ranxer

hey, wow, somebody noticed that i post similar things when i come here! hmm, maybe ive got only a few reasons to come here and post.. i don't hang out and post on every subject... im only interested in a few.. that not ok with you, fine keep putting me down for it.. whatever

drewkads

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and you, posting every goddamn conspiracy theory in the world.

haha thats pretty funny :/ .. i wish i had the time to have fun with that idea.

abcdx

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One thing that came out, and that most version of ths story ignore is the involvement of Mossad. The CIA confirmed this.

do you have a link?

thank you for your patience.. maybe this week ill comment or post on one other subject besides the destruction of americas future

Jul 15th, 2003 08:31 AM

Zhukov

"Some brave souls put their lives on the line to make this happen, loyal to a creed that they know that they'll never leave a fallen comrade." - General Vincent Brooks

Of course the media reported it, who the fuck else would? And how do you think the media got hold of the story? The media relies on US military information.

It was the military, however, that dramatised the situation. And if I am not mistaken, it was the military that filmed the whole evacuation, heroics and all.

The truth that is now emerging about what really happened to Private Lynch serves to underline the fact that imperialist wars are not just military affairs, but also ideological ones. While the actual fighting on the ground is taking place there is another equally important war at home to control public opinion.

I think there will be many more morale boosting stunts in the future. And many more morale boosting lies.

Even if the entire thing was somehow entirely concocted by the various 'independant' news outlets, do you think the military did not or would not have capitalized on the situation?

And I don't know what a DOD is, sorry. :/

Jul 15th, 2003 01:56 AM

GAsux

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There is an image of the Vietnam Vets being pot smoking baby killers, and the image of a brave and heroic Jessica Lynch and her rescuers was supposed to cover that up.

Do you even fathom the level of conspiracy you're too scared to fully name? You're beating around the bush and trying to imply that the stories released by the MEDIA were controlled by the DOD? Do you honestly believe that the DOD is able to control media outlets in that fashion?

Go back and check the events again my friend. Once again, you'll find that the MEDIA reported the stories of Lynch's suppossed heroics. While it's true that perhaps the DOD wasn't quick to refute the story, it's absurd to me that you think that story was a plant of some sort. Ever wonder why the initial story of the ambush didn't include any statements from official sources?

Do you for one solitary second beleive that it's possible that more than one media source caught wind of the story and, immediately understanding its story book potential particularly amongst it's readers employed shitty journalism to over exaggerate a story they couldn't defend for the sole sake of selling newspapers! In a capitalist, money driven society! God forbid! That could NEVER happen!

Do you think it possible that there could be wrong doing in this world that ISN'T the result of a calculated U.S. government plot?

As for your observation about the connection to Vietnam, I think in some ways you're probably correct, but in the wrong context. It's true that Vietnam Vets have historically been portrayed in a shitty light particularly in Hollywood. And I'm absolutely positive that there WAS a concerted effort to demonstrate that U.S. soldiers for the most part are a pretty professional, well trained bunch. That's why they imbeded journalists. To suggest that the DOD went so far as to control media outlets and publish fake stories is sheer paranoia on your part.

**EDIT** CHIMP, Thank you for making me laugh. Sometimes I forget and start to take you seriously.

Jul 15th, 2003 12:19 AM

AChimp

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Damn straight. We're so far north here that all our compasses do is rotate endlessly, so we had to learn alternative methods of navigating.

How much effort does it take to use a radio?

"Misfits to base. Misfits to base. Request assistance. We forgot to deploy our big ball of string. Over."

Jul 15th, 2003 12:13 AM

Zhukov

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Haha. Word up.

Actually I was refering to the lack of Capitalist governments on the moon, and was not proposing to send ranxer there. I get told to leave my country often enough and it really shits me. "If you don't like it, why don't you move?" - I fucking hate it.

On the actual article itself, I got an article practicaly the same on May 29, so the I wasn't surprised about it's content (who is?). I am surprised, however, to see the BBC report it.

The war in Iraq reminds alot of people about Vietnam, and along with the winning the war and winning the Hearts and Minds of the paople, the govt needs to prevent mass action on the homefront from spoiling everything. There is an image of the Vietnam Vets being pot smoking baby killers, and the image of a brave and heroic Jessica Lynch and her rescuers was supposed to cover that up.

Jul 14th, 2003 07:16 PM

Abcdxxxx

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Originally Posted by mburbank

Are you trying to say that Ranx is a Johnny one note

Um, nope. I think I said, what I said, just fine.... but nice try.

Jul 14th, 2003 05:42 PM

Drew Katsikas

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Originally Posted by ranxer

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Do you realize how idiotic that is?

hmm, well, i don't think all the facts are in, so your claims may be a bit premature..if you are wrong will you call youself an idiot? i have a lot of names i could throw at you for attacking me for questioning the 'official story.'
instead i've got a question..

when is it ok with you for someone to question the 'official story?'

i for one view the news with a lot of skepticism and only claim a suspician.. i want to know what really happened and who lied, if anybody did.. i want to know who is credible and who is not.

i'm not interested in chastising folks for honest mistakes, i can understand that a small error can lead to big consequences, but there's a difference between an error that is honestly looked at and a coverup.. happens everyday and takes a lot of work to sift thru. :/

I never said it wasn't ok to question the official story. News and media lie, granted. They probably put the Lynch story out of proportion. Guess who else lies and makes shit seem bigger than it is? BBC news apparentley, and you, posting every goddamn conspiracy theory in the world. Oh wait, actually you never have posted the ones that support a conservative agenda. Excuse me for exaggerating.

Jul 14th, 2003 04:05 PM

mburbank

Are you trying to say that Ranx is a Johnny one note, a one trick pony who no matter the story see a single angle? The same angle every time, so that all stories are really about one single thing, and that it's always the same thing and that he always thinks the same thing about it and only posts about that one thing over and over and over and amazingly finds evidence of that topic in all other topics?

You're right. That IS juvenile.

Jul 14th, 2003 03:43 PM

Abcdxxxx

Ranxer - You're incredibly foolish. You find what you want to hear and champion it. Admit it, you love conspiracy, and you live feeling like a counterculture dissident. How juvenile of you.

The Jessica Lynch story WAS fictionalized. To what extent and how, I'm not sure we'll ever be certain. It's not the scandal you're hoping.

One thing that came out, and that most version of ths story ignore is the involvement of Mossad. The CIA confirmed this. Maybe that's what BBC means by Iraqi's?

Jul 14th, 2003 02:59 PM

ranxer

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Do you realize how idiotic that is?

Jul 14th, 2003 01:12 AM

GAsux

Chimp

Im sure that when YOU were using GPS and radios in the middle of an unfamiliar desert at night it was probably quite easy. I guess those dumb Americans probably should have headed to Canada before they deployed so you could square them away.

We're talking about support folks who aren't typical infantry grunts who train in land nav, convoys, etc. They were maintenance folks. I don't claim to have EVER been in a combat situation but I've worked plenty of mock combat scenarios and I can tell you that particularly in the dark, and in places that you aren't familiar with, it is VERY easy to become disoriented.

Either way, I'm not sure how that's even relevant to this thread at all. This is pretty much par for the course for Ranxer. Post silly stories that "prove" the "man" was lying, then accuse anyone who dares counter your claim with facts as being "blind" or misled. Obviously if they don't agree with you they must be wrong.

Since I'm rambling, let me ramble a little further. As to the initial reports of the nature of Lynch's injuries and how they were sustained, DOD made minimal, if any claims as to her heroism, fighting to the last bullet, etc. That was reported by the press of their own volition. Perhaps you should criticize an overzealous press eager to sell papers instead of the Pentagon.

As for the "rescue" I find it hard to believe that they would conduct any type of rescue operation with "blanks" and I base that upon my own operational knowledge of combat operations. Its not impossible, but I highly doubt it. No commander would agree to send his guys into an unkown without being armed. Further, I'm not sure what makes Dr. Achmed Muhamed Whoever expert enough to know what blanks and live M-16 rounds sound like. I suppose you could say they searched the building and didn't find any bullet holes, but I'd be suspicious none the less. Finally, it is a certainty that fake explosives WERE used. They are used in virtually every urban combat scenario including civilian law enforcement agencies. Ground Burst Simulators (GBS) or "flashbangs" are used to distract and confuse people when a team makes an entry. That has nothing to do with Hollywood.

If your intent is to somehow prove some kind of blatant lie perpetrated by the Pentagon in the Lynch case I think you're grasping at straws.

Jul 14th, 2003 12:24 AM

Drew Katsikas

You aren't posting about human rights and social problems. You post news that claims that Jessica Lynch's story is nothing but an action movie. Do you realize how idiotic that is?

Jul 14th, 2003 12:12 AM

AChimp

I find it amazing that ALL the pertinent technology could have broken down or malfunctioned and caused Lynch's squad/truck/whatever to be ambushed.

I mean, really. How the fuck do you make a wrong turn when you're in the desert and have GPS and radios? If you're lost, stay put and be on guard and radio for help.

Why don't they just admit that Misfit Squad America was stupid and got attacked and decimated like it deserved? The U.S. military is better off this way.

Jul 13th, 2003 11:16 PM

ranxer

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Why yes, yes I am. You only posted that the Lynch story was nothing more than a clever Rambo-esque ploy in order to make Americans feel good about killing Iraqi's.

i posted counter info which i feel VERY important in this country, especially with fascists in power. and ill keep doing it as i please.

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you post a new leftist conspiracy theory every week, you say you're located in the U$, and you complain about everything. Granted, the country is in a fucked up state of affairs, that I don't particuarlly agree with, but I don't post questionable news articles, or use cliche juvenile quips, such as U$, or use Propaghandi and RATM quotes, about Neo-Captialists.

i post what i think is unconfirmed but likely or true.. you don't like it fine, feel free to say so.. i'm trying to comunicate despite my anger at what i feel is a fascist corporate regime. yes america has been a capitalist dog eat dog borderline fascist country for a long time but it has also been apposed from within for a long freaking time.. i carry on the torch of resisting corporate domination, racism and classism. granted.. in an amaturish way at times, but ill never give up resisting.. ill never give up supporting civil rights, humanitarian rights and environmental rights.. and yes ill continue in the US of A.

as for ratm, you sound more familiar with them than i for i have no clue what i could be quoting from them.. seems we(me and ratm) must agree on something

Jul 12th, 2003 06:58 PM

Drew Katsikas

Haha. Word up.

Jul 12th, 2003 06:52 PM

Zhukov

I hear the moon is a lovely place

Jul 12th, 2003 06:14 PM

Drew Katsikas

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Originally Posted by ranxer

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you treat every fucking conspiracy theory that supports left wing cause as immaculate truth.

wait a sec, are you saying the bbc is a source for leftwing conspiracy theories?

Why yes, yes I am. You only posted that the Lynch story was nothing more than a clever Rambo-esque ploy in order to make Americans feel good about killing Iraqi's. And yes, this certainly supports a liberal agenda, or a pacifist agenda, more specifically. Take your pick.

Either way, you post a new leftist conspiracy theory every week, you say you're located in the U$, and you complain about everything. Granted, the country is in a fucked up state of affairs, that I don't particuarlly agree with, but I don't post questionable news articles, or use cliche juvenile quips, such as U$, or use Propaghandi and RATM quotes, about Neo-Captialists. The only thing that would make you happy is if you moved to Finland, a far superior country to the United States, but I don't believe you know their language.

IF you don't like Capitalism, unfortunatley, you're going to have to move, becuase it's been our country's basis since we landed here and killed them injuns.

Jul 12th, 2003 12:59 PM

Zhukov

I can't believe I clicked your link twice. Having my computer fucked once was not enough, I had to do it twice.

Jul 12th, 2003 12:45 PM

O71394658

Well...the BBC HAS come under suspicion in the last couple of weeks for reporting false and erroneous information.

Jul 12th, 2003 11:06 AM

ranxer

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you treat every fucking conspiracy theory that supports left wing cause as immaculate truth.

wait a sec, are you saying the bbc is a source for leftwing conspiracy theories?

Jul 12th, 2003 08:18 AM

VinceZeb

Fight the power, Ranxer, fight that power

*plays some more funk metal*

Are you satisfied with any govt in this world, you perpetual crybaby, or is everyone guilty of something?

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