Existence?

[Sethomas]

Kahl, I agree that things happened the way they did for a reason. But that's a theological connundrum, and ever since Spinoza declared that nature has no intrinsic telos science has generally accepted this. Pure Darwinism is based on the fact that nature has no direction. So, sure. We both seem to agree that the universe has four forces because God wants it to. But that doesn't change the fact that if there were no God, there's nothing in the past that infallibly dictated that there must be four forces of nature plus matter made of quarks. You're sidestepping the issue, and not eliciting a fair chuckle in the process.