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[Jomb]

Sacks - GG is definitely not for everyone. Or even most people. Probably not for 95% of the people at least. But to me the man was a hero. There has never been such a shocking and hilarious frontman. He understood that rock music loses it's power when it's safe. He made it dangerous again for a short time.

Guitar Woman - I still have no idea which band or bands bored you to tears or if they were actually good punk rock or just posers or what. I've heard alot of so-called punk bands which bored me to tears to, but they were'nt the good stuff.

Eyelobe - When I think of hardcore, I'm thinking of a bunch of skinheads in New York with X's on their hands playing the same song over and over again, but maybe they just stole the term.
I'd go with all your recommendations and throw in Dead Kennedys, early Flipper, Minutemen, Crime, Testors, The Mentally Ill.....

[Eyelobe]

Originally Posted by Jomb

Sacks - GG is definitely not for everyone. Or even most people. Probably not for 95% of the people at least. But to me the man was a hero. There has never been such a shocking and hilarious frontman. He understood that rock music loses it's power when it's safe. He made it dangerous again for a short time.

Guitar Woman - I still have no idea which band or bands bored you to tears or if they were actually good punk rock or just posers or what. I've heard alot of so-called punk bands which bored me to tears to, but they were'nt the good stuff.

Eyelobe - When I think of hardcore, I'm thinking of a bunch of skinheads in New York with X's on their hands playing the same song over and over again, but maybe they just stole the term.
I'd go with all your recommendations and throw in Dead Kennedys, early Flipper, Minutemen, Crime, Testors, The Mentally Ill.....

You're absolutely right - the meathead idiots stole the term. Bad choice of words, maybe. How about "New Wave"? A lot of the good groups in the late 70s and early 80s preferred that one.

To add to this great list:

Minor Threat, The Exploited, DOA, Nomeansno, Fugazi...

[JediScum]

Originally Posted by Eyelobe

How about "No Wave"? A lot of the good groups in the late 70s and early 80s preferred that one.

The term "hardcore" does seem to have been commandeered by a lot of East Coast bands, particularly ones who sing about this "straight edge" rubbish. But it wasn't always so.

I stumbled across a decent documentary at the library a couple months ago, called "American Hardcore: The History of American Punk 1980 -1986". It's not definitive as there are a lot bands missing (Dead Kennedys and Misfits to name a couple) but it tells an interesting story.

Punk already existed but, a few bands in LA termed themselves "hardcore" punk. People who attended shows would rampage in the club, breaking shit. Soon the bands would tour, spreading "hardcore" to places like San Francisco, Nevada, and the Pacific Northwest. Eventually, it got to the East Coast where it really caught on with the bands Agnostic Front, Slapshot and others.

The whole "straight edge" thing was inadvertantly created in the DC scene, where a few people were rebelling against the idea that you had to rebel by alcohol and drug use, as they had seen so many stadium rocker fans doing.

There's more in the doc, it's a good watch, especially if you like Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Flipper, Adolescents, 7 Seconds, Agnostic Front and TSOL.
Lots of little interviews, some with people you'd never expect like Moby, who claims he was the lead singer for Flipper for one day!

Good on ya, eyelobe! No Means No has been one of my favorite bands for 15 years.

Sacks, I wouldn't fuck GG with my worst enemy's dick. I'd prolly catch the AIDS just by looking at his corpse.

And how come there's no mention of The Meatmen? Great band! Big Boys, The Dicks,
Scratch Acid and The Crucifucks also deserve mentioning in a Misfits thread.