Features

Zhukov · #1

If only Alienkid were here.

Anyway, it's sort of against the rules for hard cord conspiracy believers to ever have solid proof and be able to back things up, that's why they are theories! And that's why there are so many nutters in the I Want to Believe community.

Personaly I don't realy think people landed on the moon when they said they did. It's more of a pessimistic outlook on life than it is a solid factual stance. They might have, they might not have, but I'm not going to believe it because Buzz Aldrin wont swear on the bible.

Another one I am interested in, but not something I believe in, is that Martin Bryant, convicted for the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, was not the actual perpatrator, or that there were two shooters. Bryant was mentaly retarded, but somehow managed to fire off X amount of headshots in X amount of seconds, witnesses put him in two different places at the same time, the police recently ordered a special vehicle to be able to cope with the large amount of corpses, a nurse who was an eye witness and called 000 (911) had their testimony dismissed from court... Anyway, the conspiracy says that the government was behind it so that they would be able to pass draconian gun laws without people making a fuss.

elx · #2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhukov

Personaly I don't realy think people landed on the moon when they said they did. It's more of a pessimistic outlook on life than it is a solid factual stance. They might have, they might not have, but I'm not going to believe it because Buzz Aldrin wont swear on the bible.

apollo 11 was a world-wide effort that millions of people witnessed, not only at the actual launching/landing sites but also on live television courtesy of the austerALIENS, who are equally responsible for the 'missing footage' that the ignorant conspiracy theories revolved around. take the time to learn about it and you'll know better. the most obvious answer to put these stupid claims to rest is that the evidence is still there on the moon. there is nothing there to disturb the site so it will remain intact. the first footprints could easily outlive the human species. go see for yourself.

dearest people who believe the hoax stories, please educate yourselves.
http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/Video...e/1st_step.avi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11_missing_tapes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11

anyways, i believe that vladimir putin was directly involved in the internal scandals at the federal counter-intelligence offices of russia and was responsible for the assassination of alexander litvineko. most people seem to believe he was murdered by his own side, to set up the russian federation. but that just doesn't add up for me. rationally speaking, the possible chance at the government taking responsibility isn't enough incentive for them to murder their own. even prior to his death he was the most vital person to the opposition of the administration. following lex parsimoniae, the simplest answer is the most reasonable, it was orchestrated by the government.

Zhukov · #3

Elx, the only people to have witnessed the landing are the astronauts that were there. Watching it on a screen doesn't count as witnessing it.

10K and I are only concerned about when they landed, not if. Besides, have YOU been to the moon?

elx · #4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhukov

Elx, the only people to have witnessed the landing are the astronauts that were there. Watching it on a screen doesn't count as witnessing it.

10K and I are only concerned about when they landed, not if. Besides, have YOU been to the moon?

no, but i don't need to witness something directly to understand that it has occurred. this wasn't a cold-war competition or a triumph for americans, it was a world-wide success for the human race. and to humor the conspiracy theory with such little understanding of it is insulting all of those who dedicated their entire existence to it. it also shows me that you're operating on very little knowledge of the subject, because if you knew the impact on the scientific community and understood the role the information collected on that mission has played in the educational advances you wouldn't doubt it for a moment.

if you do educate yourself and still come to the same conclusion please let me know, because honestly, i hold very little esteem in those who truly believe that something of this magnitude and significance did not occur, almost as little respect for those who deny the existence of holocaust.

you have absolutely no basis for assuming that it didn't occur on the date it was said to have, other than that you assume we were not technologically sophisticated enough for it at the time. which is absurd, because the successful use of those machines has lead to the development of the ones we're currently using today! you should also consider all of the other amazing things humans have been able to construct, all of the other advancements in technology, some single-handidly developed and working long before any space-machine designs.

edit: errors

Zhukov · #5

Ha, well it was cold war competition at it's finest, but yes, still a great leap for mankind. It can be both.

Also, I never explained my assumptions or what they were based on, so where are you getting that I said we weren't technologicaly developed enough? I'm not doubting SCIENCE, I'm doubting 1960s American government. It's 2:30 am and I am not gerared up for a debate anyway

Ok, when they send up another mission, and they have live footage, and photos, and the footprints and flag and moon lander are in exactly the same place as they are in the original photos, then I will switch sides. Before that, I wont be sure because I haven't studied either the theories for or those that are against.

elx · #6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhukov

Ha, well it was cold war competition at it's finest, but yes, still a great leap for mankind. It can be both.

Also, I never explained my assumptions or what they were based on, so where are you getting that I said we weren't technologicaly developed enough? I'm not doubting SCIENCE, I'm doubting 1960s American government. It's 2:30 am and I am not gerared up for a debate anyway

Ok, when they send up another mission, and they have live footage, and photos, and the footprints and flag and moon lander are in exactly the same place as they are in the original photos, then I will switch sides. Before that, I wont be sure because I haven't studied either the theories for or those that are against.

again, this was a world-wide effort in which your own government had quite a bit involvement in from start to finish. i understand that it was only funded and popularized as a 'race', but that's not how it was conducted or how it should be remembered.

here's the most recent evidence of the apollo landing sites as they currently stand.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LR...ollosites.html

Zhukov · #7

I don't want you to put so much work into convincing me when it's going to take more than what you are able to provide. That's not an insult, but I need surface photos that match the 60s surface photos. I wouldn't worry yourself, it's hardly important that you change my mind, all the scientific advances are still valid.

It might not have been conducted as a space race by the scientists working on it, but as part of the larger picture, it most certainly was. I don't think the USSR sent NASA much information to help them along to be honest. In fact, I think they kept their cards close to their chest, and vice versa. It's sad that such a fantastic achievment was only brought about to prove superiority over others, but that's how a lot of great advances have happened. Oh well, there will always be more.

2:54 = bed time.