Greek characters were considered Isopsephia, not Numerology. The premise is practically exactly the same, the numerical values were exactly the same, the fucking Symbol names are almost exactly the same, let's not argue over semantics.
It's actually ehad for masculine, ehat for feminine. I'm really glad we got that out of the way, I honestly needed to know how to ask for an apple to understand gematria. Shnaim is the masculine two, shloshah is the masculine three. Shtaim and shalosh are the femine two and three. Oh, right, that's for modern hebrew only, though. Tack tack.
Moving on to brighter, happier subjects. Here's my summary.
Gematria didn't appear in HEBREW until it was seen on a coin in what, 103 bc? You'll have to correct me for the exact times.
However, it appeared in Greek in the form of Isopsephia as coins in something like 266 bc(again correct me if im wrong ineffable one) and 311 bc as Papyrii. Now i think we should clear up the matter of the difference between isopsephia and gematria. Isopsephia is basically when alpha through omega of the alphabet is given a number, in three sets of ten. 1-9, 1-90, 1-900(or 8-8-8). Gematria is the hebrew form of isopsephia, which is when every letter in the alphabet is given a number, the numbers are arranged in three sets of ten, 1-9, 10-90, and 1-900(this was after a more modern variant of hebrew was created and included final consonants, which added an extra 5 to the original 22. 5+22=27, 3x9=27. What a coincidence). Something about these numbers seems very similar! oh well, I'll ignore it. i'm seth.
Iso in greek means equal, psephia means Pebble/count. Quarter please.
For my next act:
Let's look at a striiiking similarity, yet again.
here's the hebrew alphabet.
Aleph, beth, gimel, daleth, he, vau, zayin, cheth, teth, yod, kaph, lamed, mem, nun, samekh, ayin, pe, tzaddi, qoph, resh, shin, tau.
I'm sure you know the greek alphabet, but we'll do it anyway
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Alpha, beta, gamma, delta, epsilon, zeta, eta, theta, iota, kappa, lamda, mu, nu, xi, pi, rho, rigma, tau, upsillon, phi, chi, psi, omega.
OMG SIMILARITIES? Let's try ancient hebrew:
Al, bet, gam, dal, hey, waw, zan, chets, thet, yad, kaph, lam, mem, nun, sin, ghan, pey, tsad, quph, rosh, shin, taw.
Wow. That's strikingly odd. Oh and roman numerology, that you are correct about. Congradulations, sethomas, you win. let's try something else, let's type, "Isopsephia" and "Greek Numerology" into a search browser and see what we get... wow, about 300 more responses for isopsephia, perhaps it's that extra word squeezed in there huh seth? Or maybe there's just a bunch of psychos out there like me practicing this horrid isopsephia thing. Or maybe you're just a fucking moron. But hey, I'm not here to judge seth. I just want to be a debater.
Can you maybe tell me why they are so damn similar? Has something to do with their similar caaninite/phoenician birthing.
Now, moving along. You will notice another very similar pattern in both Hebrew gematria, greek isopsephia, and even roman numerology. They were generally used in conjunction with God's and straaange sciences. I won't name them, because it is easily investigatable to find the numerical values for the gods of each of these systems, and note that often in temples built to them the isopsephia numeral would've been used to build the temple. Parthenon.
So call them bullshit, unimportant, crap that wasn't around, you're a dumbass no matter what you say.
Let's move on to some instances in which gematria was actually used in the bible, and some other fancy pancy philosophies:
The sum of all the Hebrew alephbet is 1495, the supposive number of days in the year given to them by moses under law. Quack.
Check out referances to it in sacred geometry as well. I know you are a self proclaimed master of Sacred geometry(like you are with everything else) so you should know what i mean.
Babylon used Gematria, hebrews were using a dialect of babylon for a long time. It was actually a cross between assyrian and babylonian(just like modern hebrew, ironically..), there's also an assyrian tree of life which seems ironic since that's one of primary stations of the qabalah, but that's unimportant because they are actually referring to a tree. Palm tree if i remember right, and pomegranate. Or is it relevant? I bet it is.
The flower of life was found in one of the pyramids or a temple of egypt, i forget which. This is again related to sacred geometry. Also the tree of life fits on top of the flower of life, along with every other sacred geometric shape.
The stories in the bible were also found in Sumeria, as far as the creation stories. All I'm saying is it has been passed down through a hell of a lot of cultures, a few of which had supro intellect, like egypt.
Right, back on topic, babylonians used gematria in about 800 bc, some stupid asshole also directed those of hebrew culture to use assyro-babylonian sexamatology in 800bc. I know i spelled that wrong.
What else... oh, right, ancient hebrew. It had symbols, sorry to disappoint you. Al was an ox. they were more like pictographs. This is in biblical times. That's right. You heard me right. It's right. They had symbols! That's how they wrote the bible. Congrats sir. I honestly don't know what else to mention. Oh, do you think they used the same symbol for numbers? Guess seth. please guess. because i don't know. they didnt from what ive read. that sucks, huh.
Oh, how about the fact that the hebrew culture was basically shimmied between many cultures, i could look it up and tell you, but im not sure i want to. It went through assyria and babylon, and quite obviously greece, and egypt as well. These cultures all managed to adopt some form of gematria, save egypt that i know of thus far, but im looking. We all know how smart egypt was, with it's indentations.
Also you have no evidence that it wasn't used at all before 103 bc, that's just the first piece of evidence in which they note it's existance used by HEBREWS, who, again, shimmied between cultures. Kind of like how they only find evidence of dinosaurs on certain dates, but they know they were around before and after that. Yea
Anyway, we are basically looking at a time period of about 500 years between the writing of the torah and the first evidence of gematria, althugh it was likely used by other cultures of mesopatomia, and used by Babylon itself for a long time.
There's still too much of a possibility the hebrews could've learned about it from babylon(or taught it to them), or some other culture since they were all so tightly linked, and it doesnt very well explain the huge coincidences of the hebrew language. I mean the first verse alone has a huge gigantic gematria behind it. Most of it's dumb though.
Babylon's language is part of the same form of writing as Sumeria, which as I mentioned has a neat story called "Genesis".
Just to let you know, i dont care either way(like i said I'm also arguing with a bunch of qabalists), i just have this thing with debating. You're not very good at it
you can't look much further than your nose, and a book. Good luck being a philosopher! Notice how the greek philosophers debated, it didn't involve much hubris. Alot of it was speculation. "Concrete evidence" is often not absolute, and never concrete.
I never really thought the qabalah had absolutely any relevance to the torah, in fact i was never even interested in the qabalah, I'm just into consciousness manipulation(tree of life will be fun to experiment with that through). I have this thing where i adopt other belief systems and pretend like ive been following them forever. Guess what that's called.
Anyone who looks up the history of gematria wil find the coin of 103, knowing that doesn't make you smart
This has all managed to fit fabulously into my actual theories. Now i'll be reading my book on the Qabalah about sacred science. Qua!
As for the whole word thing for numbers, you were right. But then, I've been studying the hebrew language for like... 10 hours now? And i had abunch of stupid qabalahists informing me, without knowing the actual word. i didn't think they'd ask for aleph apple, i actually figured it'd be.. "A apple" "b apple" "c apple", either that or it would have a word, but they did a good job convincing me otherwise. Still not sure what the ancient hebrew words are.
You were still wrong about isopsephia :D
I guess I'll end it on this note, you think you can prove the existance of God.
But you somehow don't believe God can set events into motion.
*edit* My best response from qabalahsts so far is that some supro praeter intelligence setup the torah so that gematria will work on it through any language. That they somehow discovered the similarity between numbers and words(they did actually originally put them on a three dimensional grid to find out where they fit).
But you can make anything with gematria if you try hard enough. I guess it's the inherent creativity in the translation and abusing of gematria that would give you answers, like subconscious automatic writing.
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