LET'S ARGUE ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

[Schimid]

It's hardly fair to say that the Wii is made for nostalgia and people that don't typically play games. It's just made for people that play Nintendo games. Like I said before, My problem isn't so much with the Wii as it is with the industry itself and there just simply aren't a lot of games out that I personally want to play...except for Nintendo games. And even then, my interest is waning in their stuff too.

Personally I didn't like Gears of War, I thought it was dull and the cover system was extremely clunky and unintuitive. Then again, I don't like a lot of shooters.

[Zomboid]

Originally Posted by Schimid

It's hardly fair to say that the Wii is made for nostalgia and people that don't typically play games. It's just made for people that play Nintendo games. Like I said before, My problem isn't so much with the Wii as it is with the industry itself and there just simply aren't a lot of games out that I personally want to play...except for Nintendo games. And even then, my interest is waning in their stuff too.

It's gimmicky, man. When the selling point of most games is "LOOK! MOTION SENSING!", you can kind of tell that they're not exactly going for the same demographic as Sony and Microsoft. That's not to say that there aren't games for your average gamer, but there's a shitload (and it seems like the majority) of games that are made for Mom, Dad, and now, with wii fit, fatties.

Ox- I agree completely. I really enjoyed Condemned 2, but I'm glad that it was a rental because the multiplayer was utter shit and the single player mode was too short. Still fun though.

[Schimid]

Originally Posted by Zomboid

It's gimmicky, man. When the selling point of most games is "LOOK! MOTION SENSING!", you can kind of tell that they're not exactly going for the same demographic as Sony and Microsoft.

I agree. I completely and totally agree. But I'm not entirely sure that's what it's made for. People just have no clue what to do with it yet--including Nintendo. Right now I definitely think it's existence is limited to those two things you've boiled it down to, sure, but there's so much more that can be applied. Most of the best Wii games don't have an excessive amount of waggling. There is a TON of shovelware, sure, but you could find the same on the PS2.

The entire thing is future potential, I think. I wish I could say people are doing interesting things with it, but they're really not. WiiWare was originally intended for fresh takes on the controller, and very little of them are. Even worse, there aren't even any good REGULAR WiiWare games like Braid or Castle Crashers. Bomberman was a great idea but there's LAG. There's online lag for fucking Bomberman.

There are good games you can play on Wii that aren't available anywhere else. I love No More Heroes and Elebits (i miss it badly), Boom Blox is good from what I hear and De Blob sounds interesting. I think Mirror's Edge could be great on Wii if it didn't have an extreme amount of waggling (but God i know it would). Devs that aren't really experienced are going straight to Wii and getting their card game compilations on the map because, hey, it's cheap and everyone knows people on the Wii will buy that shit. Look at Carnival Games.

I guess my issue is that the Wii was made to include outside demographics, sure, but I don't think that was all it was...at first, anyway. The runaway success enticed game makers to just play it safe and just make a pool or beer pong game rather than develop new concepts and ways to use the remote. Maybe things will change, maybe not. Maybe the Wii's success damned us to increasingly simple games, like I feel Halo's success damned us to a decade of polished but indistinguishable space shooters.

But the Wii could do great things, if people just fucking tried.

[OxBlood]

You sure are an agressive little bunch of people *reads the last pages*

Basically, I can accept that there won´t be many original games in the future, but that doesn´t mean I can´t enjoy "normal" games. Take Rainbow Six Vegas 2 for example...I don´t know how many times I´ve played through that game with a friend, one of the games I spent the most time with this past year...same thing for Condemned 2 (minus the Multiplayerpart, didn´t like that).

I don´t need the holy grail of creativity pour it´s glorious content all over me when I play. Solid games are all I ask for. What I AM allergic to are bad dubs. Which is a local problem of non-english speaking countries mostly, yes, sure.

Concerning Dead Space...I´m actually looking forward to that. It has all the ingredients of a great game. Aliens, Mutants, drifting gigantic Spacecrafts (the drifting is very important), mining and mining-tools that double as weapons, Upgrades (ALWAYS enhance a game, literally) for the suit and the weapons, a main character with a mask and hopefully more than 8 hours of lenght. All it misses are zombies but aliens and mutants are valid substitutes for zombies, so that´s okay.

[MetalMilitia]

I'm looking forward to FarCry 2 the most. It got something like 96% is PC Gamer UK and the open world gameplay looks awesome. Great graphics and setting too.

I was looking forward to Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway for ages but reviews and been slightly poor. I'll still get it though.

[Zomboid]

Is that the series where you have reduced accuracy when you're under fire? If so, I played the first one and enjoyed it but for some reason, I never went further than that.

[Neen]

Boom Blox = virtual Jenga.

That said, I'm looking forward to The Conduit, Deadly Creatures, and Disaster: Day of Crisis.

Right now, I'm enjoying Wario Land: Shake it. Not that it's revolutionary or anything, but in this day and age a good sidescroller is a welcomed treat.

Hell, Mario Galaxy, Zack & Wiki, and Metroid Prime 3 are sure to become sought-after gems if the Wii ever goes belly-up.

[Guitar Woman]

Yahtzee talked about this today!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...orce-Unleashed

Also, I didn't think Disaster actually existed anymore.

[Phoenix Gamma]

So I got DeBlob. If you own a Wii, you should at least look into it. It takes the freeware tech demo and makes it way more awesome. It's not a system mover, but it's really cool. I dig it.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/40935.html

Also, I kinda want Disaster, only because it's going to be sooooooo cheesy. I know it'll just be waggle shit, but I've always wanted a game based on natural disasters and shit.

[Guitar Woman]

Guys, I love today's Zero Punctuation

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...-E-R-Clear-Sky

If I hadn't been told he was reviewing Clear Sky, I probably would have thought he was talking about the first one.

Does the STALKER dev team know how broken their games are? I would have thought they'd fix every problem the original had in the second installment.

[Dr. Boogie]

They did "fix" the problems, in that they took a lot of the old bugs and tweaked them into exciting new bugs, like the self-operating machine gun bug, and the non-aggressive military guys bug.

Ooh, and the "increasing your max carry weight doesn't improve your sprinting ability" bug. They still hadn't fixed that one by the time I played the game, finished it, and uninstalled it.


A friend of mine put it best: it's basically STALKER modded. Not patched, modded.

[Emu]

I haven't been able to watch the ZP videos for weeks. When I click them to play, nothing happens.

[Guitar Woman]

You have to wait for up to a minute because the Escapist's video player is really bad.

[Emu]

It turns out I didn't update my Flash properly. Thanks, Flash!

[Zomboid]

this is for all of the fans of those fucking stupid gritty shooting games!!!!! u just wish u could play the same games that my parents can easily beat. u suck!!

http://www.pennyarcademerch.com/pat080101.html

[Guitar Woman]

Yes, the only reason I don't like shooters because I'm horrible at them. I have over 100 hours in Team Fortress because it's just so STUPID and I need to find evidence to support it's horribleness; not because it's, like, a fun and unique shooter full of attitude and awesome or anything.

[Emu]

Originally Posted by Guitar Woman

full of attitude and awesome

this, stop saying this

[Kusanagi_no_Tsurugi]

Originally Posted by Guitar Woman

Yes, the only reason I don't like shooters because I'm horrible at them. I have over 100 hours in Team Fortress because it's just so STUPID and I need to find evidence to support it's horribleness; not because it's, like, a fun and unique shooter full of attitude and awesome or anything.

Second. I quit playing Counter-Strike due to this, AND the fact I never figure out how to properly play them with a keyboard (I'm more used to play games on PC with a keyboard than joysticks). There's just too fucking many keys to press (though I don't have that much of problem while playing GTA).

[Dr. Boogie]

Originally Posted by Guitar Woman

Yes, the only reason I don't like shooters because I'm horrible at them. I have over 100 hours in Team Fortress because it's just so STUPID and I need to find evidence to support it's horribleness; not because it's, like, a fun and unique shooter full of attitude and awesome or anything.

You've got a team of people to distract the enemy for you and cover for your ineptness, which leads you into mistakenly believing that you're good at the game, and it is therefore fun.

[Guitar Woman]

Also the only games I don't like mostly because I'm bad at them are Deus Ex and Morrowind so shows what the hell you know

[Zomboid]

hey dude this doesnt concurn u this is for dem haters.

[Guitar Woman]

I like it when people don't know what sarcasm is

[Guitar Woman]

I play the Spy, though, most of the time my team is a liability that loves following me when I'm cloaked and getting me set on fire.

Or the Scout, where you have to be good at twitchty, spastic gunfighting because your only real advantage is super speed. The scattergun is also slower when both firing and reloading than the generic shotgun, so there's that, too.

Or the Demoman, where you have to plan everything 10 seconds in advance and know exactly how every class behaves. I mean, you could also just sit on the point babysitting some stickies, but enjoy an extremely small number of kills for that round.

I do think that a good deal of the game is based on luck (FUCKING critrockets), but you can still be good at it.

If you're worried about not being able to relate, Zomboid, don't fret! TF2 is FULL of retards with messiah complexes. You will fit right in.

[Phoenix Gamma]

If you're lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, you can flip the whole game around. I saw it happen a lot when I frequented 2Fort.

Of course, this argument can be applied to any game, so it's a moot point :X

[Bad Mr. Frosty]

I'm rather behind in the world of gaming; I JUST GOT an original Xbox system 3 days ago. It does have Halo 2 though. Good practice for the 3rd one, right?

And apparently the original Xbox is known for shooters galore.