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a story about a vindictive Jewish female, who later converts to Islam might show mercy in your Islamic eyes, but as a Jew, it says the complete opposite. Frankly, it's offensive on several levels. That's no pro-Judaism, by any stretch of the imagination. I don't want your mercy, I want to be left alone. What other kind of death could be involved in having your soul cut off from your people ? It's also concerning that Mohhamed is your moral compass when his own actions were morally questionable.
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That was a long story summed up. I still consider it a strong example. Hind was accepted and respected despite the fact that she was a Jew. I said that EVEN IF she was that vindictive, she was forgiven, so what the fuck does that say about how forgiving and accepting prophet Mohammed is?
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I'm also a bit troubled by your choices of other examples of Islamic harmony:
Christians in Yemen? Yet the persecution of Yemenite Jews was some of the worst.
Jordan? Cleansed the majority of it's Jews. There was no Jewish community in Transjordan when it became a State in 1946. Even today, under peace treaty, Orthodox Jews can not enter Jordan.
Lebanon ?
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Okay wow, you're kind of really far back in history.
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Again, Indepedence is not acceptance or protection. You say God won't punish you in this life, but isn't Islam all about preparing for the next life? You're double talking.
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Did I say it is?
Indenpence, acceptance, tolerance and protection are all different things yet are related. It's your personal choice if you want to tolerate others and accept them as they are. You choose, as an independent individual, whether you want to be hateful and intolerant or accepting and tolerant. YOU choose, no one else does it for you. The Koran wants that. For you to make your own choices regarding what was right and wrong. It tells you what's right and what's wrong, but YOU need to give yourself the limits.
You answered your own question in that second line. God won't punish you in this life BECAUSE he is preparing you for the next life. The next life is where you will be punished, then. This life is all about chance, faith, forgiveness, knowledge. This life is where you build yourself for the next life. This is how God will determine where you go next, through your actions here.
You independently chose to be a homosexual. Fine. It's againt the Koran, but like I said, it's not 'A' and 'B' with Islam. There are certain exceptions.
I'm not double talking, you're just hearing things the way you want to hear them. I'm sorry, but you don't seem as educated as you should be on this matter, I can suggest a few books for you to read because I don't even know where to start to be honest. We can talk about this for days on end.
Christianity and Judaism had a great influential presence in the Arabian peninsula, man. Arab tribes were around Christians all the time: Abyssinians Mesopotamian Christians, Syrians.
To say "they were all kicked out/mistreated!" is just too simplistic and stupid. LOOK FURTHER BACK.
Don't Wikipedia these and expect yourself to know enough. Don't depend on the internet for these things, I want you to get out there and actually look these up before engaging in such a debate.
In the 6th century C.E Yemen was the seat of Christian aspirations. The city of Najran was considered the hub of Arab Christianity. Ever heard about the massive church in Sana'? It was a primary pilgrimage site in the region, like Mecca. Ever heard about the Ghossanids and the Byzantines and their preaching of two very differnet Christianities? Ever heard of what the pagan Arabs thought about Judaism (that it's just another way of expressing similar religious sentiments)?
Furthermore, Arab Jews, Arab Christians, Arab whatever exist, and aren't bothered. That's fucking tolerance for you. We don't consider ourself 'one' because we're all Muslim, which we're obviously not. We consider ourselves 'one' because our religion tells us that we should, it's how prophet Mohammed did it and his and God's words are the words we live by. So why go against that?
You have a lot to learn about the origins of Islam, it seems.
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I suggest you debate the verses with every suicide bomber who qoutes the Koran extensively, and holds a copy in his/her hands, as they prepare to mass murder "infidels". It would serve us all better then telling US all this
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Most people who do it are kids. Kids are easily brainwashed. Make a kid feel powerful and passionate about something and I dare you to bend him back to the average kid he used to be. It won't work. When you give a kid the power to make certain things possible, you can't take it back.
Do you think it's easy having a religious debate with a kid who saw his mother get raped and killed? Do you think it's easy to just walk up to a kid and tell him that what he's doing is WRONG and we should accept the fact that his Jewish Israeli cousins are killing and torturing his siblings in front of his own eyes because it's what the prophet would have done? That you should forgive?
Those kids are traumatized. What they're doing is wrong, but they're fucking miserable and see this as their own way of aiding the situation. Of course it would be better for all of us to stop hearing about them blowing shit up, but the Israelis are doing things that are thrice as bad as this, wiping out thrice as much of the population. Just compare the death tolls in each country and see for yourself.
You think it's just easy for things to HAPPEN. For things to be talked about. I wouldn't talk about these things in Saudi if I wanted to stay alive. If I were in the strict village areas and I talk to an Imam about this, you think he'll want to "debate?" I'll be lynched. Threatened. Beaten. But that's not Islam. It's a sick way of life. It's a struggle for power. Don't confuse anything like that with Islam, no matter how easy it makes things seem. I've gone through enough shit before I was old enough to distinguish what was Islam and what wasn't. I bet you won't go anything half as bad, this is why I doubt you'll fully understand.
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Jeanette, how are you any your opinions any better or any more informed?
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Because she's open and willing to learn, even if she doesn't agree. I've talked to her on AIM before and she seemed quite informed to me.