Things are looking good for Bush

[davinxtk]

Vince, you have the most unlikely array of friends, relatives, and roommates of any human being I've ever encountered.


Nobody ever called me while I was unemployed for nearly the entirety of 2003. Nor was I filed amongst the statistics of those who were allowed benefits.
I'd bet your friend took up all of their time.

I know, I know, you don't have to educate me or prove anything.

Now don't let this thread get too much like that other thread, Max, or we might confuse poor Zebba.

[mburbank]

Before commenting on the article, I just want to say, you hve to stop saying 'by proxy' until you find out what it means. It's another phrase you're using totally wrong and it makes you look like an idiot.

Now, let me do something you are incapable of.

I was wrong. There is a phone survey.

It's used as part of the census. If you were to take the figures they got, extrapolate them to the entire population, and then compare them to the unemployment statistics used by the fed to determine the unemployment rate, I think you might make some interesting nd useful dicoveries. I'll do that whn I gt a chance, becuase my gut feeling is they'll support my argument and not yours. So thanks for the link.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Ok, MM and Max, you have said that you know a lot of skilled people that don't have jobs. What are their skills and what are the demands for their skills in our current enviroment?

Why should they answer? Is it their job to do your research for you and educate you? They through out a claim, didn't necessarily support it, and there's no need to continue, right? Why should anybody ever substantiate any of the things they say, Vince? It seems to be quite a successful technique.

Anyway, as far as the Department of Labor goes, they do in fact have a fucked up method for collecting data. I haven't heard anything about the "self-employment" boom that Vinth had mentioned, but they do stop tracking people once they go unemployed for over a certain period (I believe six months). This means they don't count, and don't get added into the unemployed. Also, many people have decided to take different routes and return to school. I know from talking to a handful of graduate programs that the average age of the graduate/Phd applicant has increased into the mid to late twenties. To my recollection, these people don't get counted as unemployed, either. All of these flawed methods will be good for President "jobless recovery" Bush.

[Miss Modular]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

You can't, in this economy, be unemployed for a fucking year. If you are, it is because you are either 1) lazy, 2) do not need to work or 3) disabled and unfortuantely cannot work.

I'm applying for jobs EVERY FUCKING DAY. I send out resumes to five employers or more. It's an extremely competitive market out there right now. Because I'm fresh out of college, therefore don't have as much experience, I tend to be slighted more. It's not a moral failing on my part. Try applying for jobs and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.

[davinxtk]

Psst, Vincent...

You're not supposed to hand the enemy your gun, tell him how to load and fire it, and then turn your back.
It's bad form.

[VinceZeb]

What are "interesting nd useful dicoveries", Max?

I'm glad to see you admit you are wrong. You should do it more often.... well, I take that back. If you were to admit every time you were wrong, you would wear those keys out on your keyboard.

[davinxtk]

[mburbank]

"What are "interesting nd useful dicoveries", Max? "

Ugh! ya got me, pard!

No, wait, maybe I'll spend a few posts arguing that 'nd' is a word and that I used it correctly, and then when it's obvious I was wrong insist that 100 out of 100 people would have no problem with my use of 'nd'.

But 'nd' is just a lowly typo, and my mistake. It's the right word spelled wrong, but I know what word it is and I used it correctly. I did totally spell it wrong though. Touche.

See? Admitting I'm wrong is just one of the things I do that makes me more of a man than you, Vinthy.

[davinxtk]

Don't forget dicoveries, Mr. Burbank.

[glowbelly]

i'm one of the lost statistics.

i was laid off in april, went on unemployment and decided to go back to school instead of going back to work. i could have filed for an extension on my bennies, but i decided against it.

i'm 28. there are 4 people in my one photography class that are doing the same thing.

i COULD go back to work right now, but i'm choosing not to. this doesn't mean that i should not be included as an unemployed person. i am.

during the 6 months that i was on unemployment, i applied for jobs. i had to. i'm gonna go ahead and say that i'm pretty well qualified for the work that i have experience in...guess what? not a one called me back for an interview, let alone hired me.

so there ya go.

if you want we can discuss my boyfriend's situation...which is worse than mine, because he works his ass off at a job that pays absolute crap. he's applied all over the place for something better and is getting no response. this is not because he isn't qualified or skilled. it is because there are a very small amount of jobs available in his skill set, and the competition is insane. plus he has standards and refuses to work at what he does and knows best for pennies.

[Brandon]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

You can't, in this economy, be unemployed for a fucking year. If you are, it is because you are either 1) lazy, 2) do not need to work or 3) disabled and unfortuantely cannot work.

NOTHING BLACK AND WHITE ABOUT THAT ANALYSIS.

My uncle, a well-educated man with a long career as an engineer, was unemployed for at least a year after the transportation company he worked for got in financial trouble. He searched the entire time for a job and just recently found one.

It's a republican/libertarian fantasy that people would prefer to live off of meager welfare or unemployment rather than holding a well-paying job. Welfare isn't enough to cover basic expenses, and most people find it degrading.

[VinceZeb]

Fucking please.

You expect me to sit here and listen to this crap? There are jobs out there. They all aren't 100 grand a year and include nice cars. If you have to work two jobs to support yourself, then WORK TWO FUCKING JOBS.

It's not the employers duty to make sure you are "well-off" in life. People have jobs out there. You can choose to take them or not. If you think that your skills are to great for the jobs out there, then maybe you chose the wrong skill sets.

[Miss Modular]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

You expect me to sit here and listen to this crap? There are jobs out there. They all aren't 100 grand a year and include nice cars. If you have to work two jobs to support yourself, then WORK TWO FUCKING JOBS.

God, you are naive. I don't expect anyone to take care of me. All I want is to be able to move out of my house and into my own apartment. I'm not looking for a $100K job and a nice car. All I want to do is survive. Get over yourself, asshole.

[glowbelly]

oh trust me, bri would be more than happy to get another job, but you know what? i won't let him.

you know why?

because i care about his well being. there's no reason for him to work 60+ hours a week. we get by ok. i'm just saying that he busts his ass right now for a very small paycheck and can't seem to find anything better.

it's not like he's sitting in an office for 8 hours a day. the guy is outside, working HARD. he comes home exhausted and sometimes drives over 200 miles a day. i don't want him working an extra 20 hours on his days off. it would kill his will to live.

it would kill anyones, but you know what? if we needed it, he would. you think that everyone who is complaining about the job market is a lazy ass who is incapable of working hard for their money. you couldn't be more wrong. brian could have taken the unemployment route but he didn't. he CHOSE to work.

so nyah.

[Anonymous]

Not even to mention that it's hard as asscats to even qualify for unemployment in the first place. I couldn't get it and have been unemployed for over a year now. Recently, my father's agreed to put me through an audio engineering course. At the moment my only available job option is part-time at Starbucks. Which I might take if the other thing my friend found doesn't work out.

Also, a phone survey wouldn't include people who don't have phones, or even a house. Or people who are living with other people. Or people who don't take phone surveys. Or people who have devices that block mass-phoning systems. All of whom are far more likely to be unemployed than your 'average' person.

[Protoclown]

Hi Vince. Are you still fat?

[punkgrrrlie10]

I can't even get the part time gig at starbucks b/c now I'm "overqualified"

[AChimp]

I would love to hear about Vinth's job that must be related to his degree in Electronic and Software Engineering.

[mburbank]

Yeah, there Vinthy poo pie. Do you expect me to fucking listen to you when we don't know what you do, who your work for or how you got the job? Concidering how many folks out there have the same 'skill set' as you, I kind of have to wonder what you're doing and who you knew or blew to get the job.

"Oh! OH! I don't have to prove anything to you! Why should I tell you anything when you won't have had a belief of it even if I had had done it! Why don't you ask me to post up a copy of my job employment certifcate of working for a job! Oh, right I forgot, you are too cowardly becuase you know when I say a thing I can always have backed up to it but I'm not going to! It's a great job and I got it becuae I am the best there is at what I do just like Wolverine and I work my ass off just like that guy who doesn't have a ass! I sent our six recipes and I got back thirty fucking replies becuase if you don't have the skills for jobs which haven't had a opening on you then get some other skills like mine which I can prove out any time but won't like my Jenny Craig lecture series!"
Vinth "Getting paid for a medication study for pathological liars" Clambake.

[Anonymous]

I can't even get the part time gig at starbucks b/c now I'm "overqualified"

yeah exactly. Places like that just don't hire people who have a professional job history. They know you are only doing it out of total desperation. They think you won't be subordinate enough and they know you will walk out on the job the second you find something.
We basically have no income right now, but we don't qualify for unemployment. We have no health insurance either and haven't had any in a damn long time. Hopefully something will come through soon, but things are bad right now. There's jack shit out there for jobs