Universal Health Care

[The Leader]

But I just read an article on your blog that claimed that stuff like MRI's actually hurt patients.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

But I just read an article on your blog that claimed that stuff like MRI's actually hurt patients.

Ummm...

Question:

What will happen to those patients who don't get preventative care?

[The Leader]

But your blog says that those kinds of treatments are bad for people!

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

But your blog says that those kinds of treatments are bad for people!

Dodging the question.

Check

and

mate?

[The Leader]

Nope, I'm just pointing out that you are contradicting yourself. Here's a link to your blog. Link
If you're going to discuss things then you should probably know where you stand.

[The Leader]

And here's the answer: According to your blog patients who don't get preventative care are better off than those that do.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

Nope, I'm just pointing out that you are contradicting yourself. Here's a link to your blog. Link
If you're going to discuss things then you should probably know where you stand.

Originally Posted by The Leader

And here's the answer: According to your blog patients who don't get preventative care are better off than those that do.

I didn't know you were such a fan of my blog. Thank you. You should subscribe.

But back to the point.

Question:

When you ration peoples preventative care.......what happens to the people?

Your answer please ......3 seconds.....

[The Leader]

More people get care than if you would have just given all resources to the first people who show up.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

More people get care than if you would have just given all resources to the first people who show up.

Say again?

I think you're wires are getting crossed.

[kahljorn]

What will happen to those patients who don't get preventative care?

isn't this sort of irrelevant to the entire discussion of if universal health care will ruin the world?

Maybe you shoudl start another thread about preventative health care, because it has nothing to do with universal health care, really.

When you ration care what does that do to the person who you are rationing? And what group or population of people will be affected by this rationing panel?

Also irrelevant. Your entire argument is irrelevant. Basically, your qualm isn't even with universal health care but with health care in general, and even further the world ;/
You can apply this to the government too. STUFF ABoUt RATioniNg CARE GOVERNMENt. IT WILL AFFECT POPULACeS. SO LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD DO AWAY WITH GOVERNMENTS ALL togetHER? your argument doesn't even boil down to doing away with it, your argument has no conclusion or proposed solution, really.

your arguments and concerns are hopelessly tragic, because for the most part your problem isn't with any specific system compared to another system, but the fact that they aren't perfect. Even if preventative medicine was used, there would still be some people who are getting hurt. Just like theleader is saying now, MRIs can actually hurt people. thus, your argument is even against preventative medicine and pretty much anything that doesn't have a perfect result.

Furthermore you have no concept of a "State of nature" which we are struggling against. I guess you are an optimist because ultimately you are presenting an anarchist/stuff argument which states that WITHOUT ANY SYSTEMS RATIONINg cARE HUMANITY WOULD BE PERFECT.

either that or you are just some douchebag who wants to GET US THINKING ABOUT THE ISSUES

[The Leader]

No, you're just getting confused by reality.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

No, you're just getting confused by reality.

Question:

Does Peter Orzsag head the committee that will ration the care of the American people?

Answer please.

[kahljorn]

he's saying if you don't ration out care than not everybody gets treated, because they end up treating people who didn't need it instead.

[The Leader]

Yes.

[TheCoolinator]

Original Question:

Do Death Panels Exist in the new Obama Health care bill??

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Question:

Does Peter Orzsag head the committee that will ration the care of the American people?

Answer please.

Originally Posted by The Leader

Yes.

Fin.

[The Leader]

Oh wait, no, you were just acting like a child pretending that they were right because they are too ashamed to admit that they were wrong.

[The Leader]

Rationing of care does not equal a death panel. You are too stupid or arrogant to understand/admit this.

Fin.

[TheCoolinator]

Didn't you just admit a little while ago that private insurance companies who deny care through their panels cause deaths?

Why wouldn't this new death panel cause deaths?

[The Leader]

Wouldn't the previous system have a death panel then?

[Colonel Flagg]

Rationing care has been around for YEARS! We've just called it something else. Now it's become the poster child of the Sarah Palin Drumline under the new name "death panel". Which, taken literally is a gross misrepresentation of what managed care is all about.

I'm not a fan of HMO-style managed care, but properly handled it can (in theory) help reign in the high cost of health care while ensuring the highest quality care for the greatest number.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

Wouldn't the previous system have a death panel then?

Yes, they would.

Obama's healthcare bill though makes a new health panel (Run by Peter Orzsag, 11 Government officials) that will institute federally mandated rationing that cannot be challenged.

And as you said previously, Insurance companies denial of care has led to many deaths throughout the years, this new panel which is meant to ration (I.E. Deny care) will lead to many more deaths.

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

Rationing care has been around for YEARS! We've just called it something else. Now it's become the poster child of the Sarah Palin Drumline under the new name "death panel". Which, taken literally is a gross misrepresentation of what managed care is all about.

I'm not a fan of HMO-style managed care, but properly handled it can (in theory) help reign in the high cost of health care while ensuring the highest quality care for the greatest number.

This isn't about Sarah Palin. No one cares about Sarah Palin or what she says.

The question:

Does Obama's healthcare plan have a rationing panel?

Yes.

Fin.

[Zhukov]

Oh? It's a 'rationing panel' now?

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

Oh? It's a 'rationing panel' now?

rationing, austerity, denial, pick your word....it all means the same thing.

[kahljorn]

Insurance committees don't kill people; nature does

[Zhukov]

Originally Posted by Google

No results found for "Peter Orzsag death commission".

Anyway.


Coolinator you are really something. If you remember correctly the original question of this thread was whether or not Obama was committing genocide through the use of fluoride in your drinking water.

Originally Posted by Coolinator

Question:

Does Peter Orzsag head the committee that will ration the care of the American people?

Answer please.

Originally Posted by The Leader

Yes.

Oh. Well, I guess he is.


Never mind.