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Preechr · #26

kahljorn · #27

Yea, hey, why even have a message board? we could just google everything instead. Asshole.
And sorry for asking you to actually paraphrase something you've actually read, what a ridiculous request!

LETS NOT HAVE CONVERSATIONS OR EXCHANGE INFORMATION INSTEAD WELL JUST BLOW EACHOTHER AND CALL EACHOTHER NAMES THATS MUCH BETTER

Preechr · #28

Trust but verify. Maybe part of the reason you're so damn frustrating to talk to is that you prefer being told things rather than finding things out for yourself. I've seen you say stuff that was obviously backed up by good, old-fashioned book-learnin... but you also have a tendancy to talk out of your ass.

You're asking me to nutshell everything John Kerry ever said before he started campaigning for President. I said it was, in a general sense, radically different. I said it's like Kerry didn't even show up for his own election. He lost to a mediocre Bush campaign. Can you not see that I believe he had proven himself better before, and then was worse for some reason?

He's a freaking SENATOR, Billy! They talk about a lot of things. Go find something that interests you. There's a lot out there.

KevinTheOmnivore · #29

Oh sweet jesus, just provide a couple links.

kahljorn · #30

You're just making shit up now, I research stuff all the time.

It's fine don't worry about the links or information or anything.

ILL JUST HAVE TO REMEMBER IN THE FUTURE THAT ASKING A QUESTION OF SOMEBODY WHO PROFESSES KNOWLEDGE IN SOMETHING INDICATES THAT I TALK OUT OF MY ASS. OR MAYBE I SHOULD SAY I QUESTION OUT OF MY ASS.

Preechr · #31

Jesus Christ.

Maybe it might be a bit more difficult to pull up links to stuff John Kerry wrote prior to 2003 if this were still sometime in 2003. Maybe I could check My Favorites in case I saved links, but I've burned through three computers since then. A lot of stuff has happened since then in fact, and I have neither access to Lexisnexis nor the inclination to spend hours digging through archived webpages in order to prove to you that I satisfied my own curiosity on something once upon a time.

Other people acknowledged my comment without demanding work from me. Maybe they also took the time to research him instead of relying on the condensed version of him provided for the networks. If you developed an impression of John Kerry without following the same path I did, then good for you. I'm sorry my thought processes are so interesting.

Here's an idea: ask Max. If I recall correctly, he spent a summer with John and Teresa in the Hamptons. Hell, he lives right down the street from one of their houses!

All kidding aside, I'd be more than happy to look some stuff up for you, because it's truly an interesting thing to see... but sadly, you just haven't proven that important to me. Maybe if you weren't so annoying all the time...

kahljorn · #32

Whatever you little girl.

Preechr · #33

Don't be bitter. You get all pouty when you get bitter, and the big, hairy boys you like don't like pouty bottoms.

kahljorn · #34

I just called you a little girl, at least have some style(one that's not mine, preferably) when you insult me.

Preechr · #35

You called me a girl, and I insinuated that you preferred your tops to be bears, but then I gave you advice on how to be more attractive to your type of gay man.

I just don't see how that's the same thing.

kahljorn · #36

I like how you can waste time throwing bullshit insults but you can't paraphrase something. It's not like I expect more from you or anything, you're the guy who pussies out of every argument and debate on this board. You have no balls, and even less intelligence. You really want to talk about talking out of your ass? You're infamous.

The fact that you used the word "pouty" makes it pretty obvious that you were trying to act like I was a child, on top of that the format of what you said was obviously in baby talk. Also calling me gay is pretty lame, and also talking about little girls having sex with hairy men is pretty gross, you disgusting pedophile. Do you get your rocks off talking in baby talk about children having sex with hairy men?

JMHX · #37

Okay, that's enough guys, let's keep it with the topic. No need for the back-and-forths. Here are a few writings of his I have saved.

http://www.ppionline.org/ndol/ndol_c...contentid=2731
http://www.ppionline.org/ndol/ndol_c...=106&subid=122
http://www.ppionline.org/ndol/ndol_c...0&subid=900055
http://www.ppionline.org/ndol/ndol_c...=106&subid=122
http://www.ppionline.org/ndol/ndol_c...=106&subid=122

KevinTheOmnivore · #38

Don't listen to him, guys!

I didn't realize how great this thread had become.

EDIT: Go DLC!

Preechr · #39

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Originally Posted by kahljorn

I like how you can waste time throwing bullshit insults but you can't paraphrase something. It's not like I expect more from you or anything, you're the guy who pussies out of every argument and debate on this board. You have no balls, and even less intelligence. You really want to talk about talking out of your ass? You're infamous.

The fact that you used the word "pouty" makes it pretty obvious that you were trying to act like I was a child, on top of that the format of what you said was obviously in baby talk. Also calling me gay is pretty lame, and also talking about little girls having sex with hairy men is pretty gross, you disgusting pedophile. Do you get your rocks off talking in baby talk about children having sex with hairy men?

You're beyond help. You should be studied. You're like a freakin mental tornado, man. I am truly in awe. I keep saying I'm gonna stop reading what you write, but I always get sucked back in.

Tell me what you think about those links JMHX provided. I'm sure I'll be fascinated by your impressions of old John Kerry vs. new John Kerry.

kahljorn · #40

WHAT A MENTAL TORNADO FOLKS ITS OUT OF CONTROL OMG WHATS IT GONNA DO NEXT LOOK OMG IT SAID THE WORD BULLSHIT THATS FUCKING INSANE I DONT KNOW WHAT THIS MENTAL TORNADO WILL DO NEXT IVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT ITS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING WHATS THIS IT CALLED SOMEONE BALLLESS MY GOD IN ALL MY WORK AS A TORNADO CHASER IN THAT MOVIE I WAS IN THAT SUCKED REALLY BAD IVE NEVER SEEN A TORNADO CALL PEOPLE BALLESS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING FOLKS AND NOW ITS MAKING VAGINAL JOKES AND IMPLYING PEOPLE ARE VAGINAS, OH WHAT A HUMOROUS SITE THAT WOULD BE!

I'm reading the john kerry stuff, so far it seems pretty boring, but i really wasn't expecting anything exciting..

So far I agree with alot of what he's saying, especially further education reform through technology. Really I just want an improved education system, though. Isn't it one of the forefronts of socratic philosophy that the youth should be educated as excessively as possible, and wasn't it that philosophy that invented/caused the greek philosophical era?
And yes i remember you talking about the topic of how america needs to be smarter to get better jobs and usher in a greater economy.

Alright do you have anything else that's not about "e-commerce"? This guy seems to fucking love the stuff, I bet he just wants faster access to porn. I'm reading the terrorism one now.
Finished the terrorism one, none of it's really anything new to me but I guess the fact it was written a few years ago is pretty good. The acknowledgement of the necessity of a so-called culture war to eliminate the perpetuation and production of terrorists, by means of preemptive developmental psychology, is good. Education is a pretty powerful tool, children are very receptive, especially when it's targetted at your "enemies'.
Talking about the need to fight 'terrorist forces' in a different manner is great, you'd think the history of america would've taught that lesson though with our "Minute men".

Thanks for the link and I HOPE PREECHR ENJOYED MY INSANELY BATTY INTERPRETATION

and just so you know what I liked about kerry in the debates was when he said stuff like, "MY RELIGION SAYS THIS STUFF IS BAD, BUT I DONT CARE BECAUSE MY RELIGION AND OPINION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CRIPPLED ATHEISTS WHO COULD BE SAVED BY STEM CELL RESEARCH"

two of those articles are nearly identical.

KevinTheOmnivore · #41

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Originally Posted by kahljorn

and just so you know what I liked about kerry in the debates was when he said stuff like, "MY RELIGION SAYS THIS STUFF IS BAD, BUT I DONT CARE BECAUSE MY RELIGION AND OPINION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CRIPPLED ATHEISTS WHO COULD BE SAVED BY STEM CELL RESEARCH"

Yeah, unfortuantely this is the way Catholic Democrats have gotten around a lot of these soical issues. Kerry is pulling a Mario Cuomo here (btw, if you get the chance, go use google and look up some of Cuomo's speeches on being Catholic and pro-choice, good stuff).

Kerry wanted to have it both ways far too often, and it made him hard to get behind.

kahljorn · #42

I thought it was impressive, personally, there was also alot of other stuff he said that I thought was fairly admirable as well.
He kicked ass in the debates, I still don't understand how he lost. I remember a few points thinking, "Fuck bush is getting his ass handed to him, kerry just won the election!", but then you have to think how many people in america actually watch debates and understand what's going on? I picture people staring dead-faced at the screen until they hear something about religion and then screaming and holloring.

Was it the speech he gave at the 1984 democratic convention?

KevinTheOmnivore · #43

The '84 speech was hot, but no , idon't think it's that one. GEEZ, I GUESS I'LL FIND THE LINK TO THE SPEECH I BROUGHT UP, OMG

I think you make a good point, overall, regarding kerry's performance. We tend to talk about him like he was Wendell Wilkie, which just isn't the case. He did quite well in the debates, and btw, it was a damn close election. A few thousand votes change in Ohio and we have a different president. The guy got more popular votes that pretty much every other Dem. in the 20th Century other than FDR.

I think the problem is that Kerry didn't make you want to vote for him. People did, but it was more of an Anybody But Bush sort of thing.

EDIT:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/spee...iousbelief.htm

kahljorn · #44

Yea, I guess he didn't do enough appealing to the common person or something ;/ Personally i was going to vote for nader because i knew it wouldn't really matter in california, but once i saw him in the debates i actually wanted to vote for him. In my opinion we need someone in office who thinks their opinion and personal ideas don't really matter, what matters is "Reality".

is it the one where he was invited by some church guy to give a speech, possibly someone from notre dam or something?

lol that's the one I was reading :O :O

I like how in this article it says the catholic church is going to try to stay out of elections and politics for the greater good or whatever, yet every election year there's a story about how such-and-such person is unchristianly and the catholic church is going to throw them out because of their political views(usually revolving around a pro-choice stance)

KevinTheOmnivore · #45

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/spee...iousbelief.htm

I think it's a collge commencement speech.

kahljorn · #46

yea at notre dam or something like that

"I may use the prescribed processes of government—the legislative and executive and judicial processes—to convince my fellow citizens, Jews and Protestants and Buddhists and nonbelievers, that what I propose is as beneficial for them as I believe it is for me; that it is not just parochial or narrowly sectarian but fulfills a human desire for order, peace, justice, kindness, love, any of the values most of us agree are desirable even apart from their specific religious base or context."

I love it when people talk about being human, i think people forget that all too often.

KevinTheOmnivore · #47

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Originally Posted by kahljorn

I like how in this article it says the catholic church is going to try to stay out of elections and politics for the greater good or whatever, yet every election year there's a story about how such-and-such person is unchristianly and the catholic church is going to throw them out because of their political views(usually revolving around a pro-choice stance)

I think that's a bit overstated. The Catholic Church generally has done a pretty good job of not picking favorites throughout the years (which is why it was outrageous in 2004 when Evangelicals were pressuring the American Church to deny Communion to Kerry).

Kicking out someone for being "pro-choice", while it has its political overtones, isn't political in the way he's referring to. The Catholic Church rarely let's candidates speak at masses. I've been one all of my life, and I've been in Churches all over the country, and I've never seen it.

Other denominations are less strict about that. My friend from North Carolina is a Southern Baptist, and she heard Republican candidates all of the time. She was told to vote Republican by her minister.

kahljorn · #48

Well, I wasn't trying to overstate it, I was just trying to convey the expression of the story. I understand it's generally the media or maybe some opposing political party exploding the story more than anything, but still.. it seems like there's a story like this every election year.

I don't know if this is a good source of information, but from catholic world news:
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=32830
Washington dispatch?
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/sp...es/000665.html

It's obviously a religous slandering tactic ;/ I'm not really sure if the catholic church supports it, but that's the impression I got when I first heard about it.

And you're right this is an interesting read, he's a smart fellow. Should I throw in some quotes? Or would that just be clutter?

KevinTheOmnivore · #49

I like Cuomo, he's an intellectual who had a hard time figuring out how to be a politician. I actually just had to write a tediously long paper on one of his races, so bleh.

Those links are really the first I ever heard of Kerry REALLY being excommunicated. I'll have to look into that, I think that would've made bigger news than just a Catholic paper and the dispatch.

Those efforts were really unheard of, and from what I remember, they were pushed by GOP activists who weren't even Catholics. My Church back home was littere with anti-Kerry literature from Right-Wing Christian groups, it made me rather angry, since those folks generally have little time or use for the "Papists".